Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by mnglkhn2 » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

lmm wrote: post #141

newsbinator wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you imagine the reaction if a user's post on HN were edited by YC? I guess it'd be the instant death of the network. That this action a) happened on Reddit + b) was mostly/quickly forgotten says a lot about the different demographics. Audiences who largely come for cat pictures and political snark don't have to worry about CEOs breaking the 4th wall. I've been a Redditor for 9+ years and I still am one. But today…

> I guess it'd be the instant death of the network. Nonsense. HN moderators already act with zero accountability. This is possibly the only major site that shadowbans users as a matter of course.

the practice of shadow banning shows how low their education level is (I'm looking at you dang)

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by m-p-3 » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:41 PM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #114

jumbopapa wrote: post #9

Reddit has long been plagued with censorship. The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The Reddit situation reminds me of the post about failing to build a billion dollar company a few days ago. Reddit is trying to make VCs happy and continue to grow the business, but a platform like Reddit is best as a less reliant on growth, but s…

>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

It's the incident that we know of. How many times was this done in the past without oversight and without the generic public being aware? They can literally put words in your mouth without being able to disprove it.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by screye » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

jumbopapa wrote: post #9

Reddit has long been plagued with censorship. The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The Reddit situation reminds me of the post about failing to build a billion dollar company a few days ago. Reddit is trying to make VCs happy and continue to grow the business, but a platform like Reddit is best as a less reliant on growth, but s…

Honestly, idk if the cofounder episode was big enough to warrant the attention it had gotten.

Reddit has traditionally allowed for users to criticize the admins/founders to their hearts fill. This was one isolated incident, among a 1000 similar comments.

Now, the sudden disappearance of some highly voted posts is something I find more interesting. That, and tolerating subreddits that routinely break the site's rules.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by cortesoft » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:45 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #183

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #66

Are there examples of companies that said “this is enough money” and stopped concentrating on having ever increasing profits every quarter to satisfy VC or stock investors? I think of this a lot lately. It seems companies don’t want to just do what they do well anymore and be satisfied with that. Can someone give me some inspiration? Companies that have such pride in their work that they aren’t constantly looking for…

All companies are beholden to their owners. When a company owns itself, they can make different decisions than when there are investors or share holders.

A company can’t own itself. It’s employees can, but not the company.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by dinkudunk » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:49 PM UTC

boron1006 wrote: post #125

learc83 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the government wants to use them to pressure Reddit, they can and will. In this instance, Tencent and the government are functionally equivalent.

Using that logic, the CIA and almost every company in existence is functionally equivalent. This is just sloppy thinking. You have to show evidence for your opinions. In this particular instance, do you have any specific evidence?

Did someone say United Fruit Company?

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by lostlogin » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

phamilton wrote: post #198

throwaway2048 wrote: post #181

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CEO asks underlings for access to production servers, for whatever reason. How many are going to say no?

Who would say yes? If the company is public, all of this is covered under SOX compliance or other regulations. If you're truly going to get fired by the CEO for not complying, better that than be the one thrown under the bus when the SEC (or other gov body) comes knocking.

Did regulators come knocking? If so, I wasn’t aware of that and it isn’t mention in the write ups I’ve seen.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by Anechoic » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

deadalus wrote: post #145

intopieces wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

> the drama it caused is way overblown People have been arrested because of Reddit posts they made. If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users... They can falsely accuse you of a crime. They can also identify you and ban you specially if you do or say things not in alignment with the founders of Reddit(criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently).

criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently

Sincere question: Was it actually criticism of Serena Williams ("she exhibited poor behavior", "she's lost a step", "her fashion sense sucks", etc) or was it abuse ("she's a man", "she's an ugly pig", etc)?

Banning because of the former is unacceptable, but I see no reason why we would expect her husband to permit the latter on his platform.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by Novashi » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

save_ferris wrote: post #200

intopieces wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

It wasn't just censorship in the traditional sense, Huffman changed someone else's content that was posted. What an insane and unbelievably poor decision by the CEO of a major company. Sure, the size of Huffman's change was small and limited in scope, but the injustice that it represented combined with the incredible lack of judgment by the Chief Executive rightfully rightfully caused a loud response. He absolutely s…

>but the injustice

Let's chill out with the over-the-top rhetoric because few of us are paying customers of reddit and it's their database at the end of the day.

Stop manufacturing outrage please

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 5:56 PM UTC

beaner wrote: post #172

intopieces wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

Even if the user got it wrong, you can't edit a user's speech and claim to be a place for free speech. Speaking incorrectly is a part of free speech.

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by skybrian » Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 6:01 PM UTC

deadalus wrote: post #145

intopieces wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

> the drama it caused is way overblown People have been arrested because of Reddit posts they made. If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users... They can falsely accuse you of a crime. They can also identify you and ban you specially if you do or say things not in alignment with the founders of Reddit(criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently).

This is another way of saying that the power to edit other people's posts is pretty darn scary. Which it is. But other than one vivid demonstration, it seems it's potential, not actual? A violation of trust, but not repeated?

What could anyone do about it, other than promising not to do it again? I guess there could be some kind of certificate transparency thing? Other people could make copies of messages and verify that they haven't changed?