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Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by wyqydsyq »

ojosilva wrote: post #126
gregmac wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to think like this too, but I've since changed my mind and understand why they do this -- and it can even be beneficial for users. There's a few big problems with the old model: First, you have to define the difference between "major" and "minor" version. Users expect major versions to have some significant improvements or new features. What this means is as a developer, you have incentive not to release minor…

I absolutely agree, subscriptions are the way to go for making your software business sustainable and better scalable R&D investments to maintain growth. Gitlab is an example of this in the dev tooling space. I've bought Mailplane v3 for my Mac a few years back. The app did not get new features, only patches. New features came out with v4, which required another purchase. I didn't buy it because v3 is good enough, bu…

Gitlab is a terrible example, they are charging for a SERVICE of providing hosting and support for their higher tiers.

They are not charging a subscription for you to be allowed to download Gitlab and self-host it.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by wyqydsyq »

h1d wrote: post #189
wyqydsyq wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The software is great but I would never buy it purely because of their business model. There is absolutely no reason DataGrip needs to be a subscription service. There aren't any ongoing costs for customers to use it. It should be a one-off purchase with optional support subscription, maybe requiring re-purchase at major version increments, not this bullshit where you need to maintain a subscription for a license on…

So why don't you pay once and keep that version for as long as you want? It's a perpetual license. If you want major updates, it's not weird to be asked to pay for it, which means continued subscription.

Except if they decide they don't have any updates to release for a month you just paid them for a month of nothing.

The issue with a subscription for self-hosted or locally ran software is that you are obligated to pay an ongoing fee, without the provider being obligated to provide the service you're paying for. Their terms do not require them to adhere to any release schedule or anything showing that by paying a subscription you're getting X. It's basically a recurring donation in hopes the software you paid for gets an update.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by wyqydsyq »

gregmac wrote: post #84
wyqydsyq wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The software is great but I would never buy it purely because of their business model. There is absolutely no reason DataGrip needs to be a subscription service. There aren't any ongoing costs for customers to use it. It should be a one-off purchase with optional support subscription, maybe requiring re-purchase at major version increments, not this bullshit where you need to maintain a subscription for a license on…

I used to think like this too, but I've since changed my mind and understand why they do this -- and it can even be beneficial for users. There's a few big problems with the old model: First, you have to define the difference between "major" and "minor" version. Users expect major versions to have some significant improvements or new features. What this means is as a developer, you have incentive not to release minor…

Except if they decide they don't have any updates to release for a month you just paid them for a month of nothing.

The issue with a subscription for self-hosted or locally ran software is that you are obligated to pay an ongoing fee, without the provider being obligated to provide any service in return. Their terms do not require them to adhere to any release schedule or anything showing that by paying a subscription you're getting X. It's basically a recurring donation in hopes the software you already paid for gets an update.

Imagine if your OS required a subscription for your computer to be usable, even when the developer of your OS doesn't release any updates that benefit or affect you for months, if you don't keep paying your subscription you get locked out of all of your work for no reason other than some marketing douche thought it'd be a good way to squeeze a more regular revenue stream out of their existing customers?

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by h1d »

wyqydsyq wrote: post #202
h1d wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why don't you pay once and keep that version for as long as you want? It's a perpetual license. If you want major updates, it's not weird to be asked to pay for it, which means continued subscription.

Except if they decide they don't have any updates to release for a month you just paid them for a month of nothing. The issue with a subscription for self-hosted or locally ran software is that you are obligated to pay an ongoing fee, without the provider being obligated to provide the service you're paying for. Their terms do not require them to adhere to any release schedule or anything showing that by paying a sub…

At least you can know how it has been and JetBrains has been releasing several updates yearly for most of their tools.

If they quit updating to abandon (which is unlikely when they're making quite a ton from the subscriptions), you can quit paying.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by 40four »

pedrocx486 wrote: post #99
40four wrote: post #89

I stared using Dbeaver a couple months ago, after looking around for an alternative to HeidiSQL on my Windows 10 laptop at work. Used HeidiSQl for a long time but got fed up with issues with it freezing or crashing, especially when switching DB connections. Dbeaver has been fantastic! Has some feautures Heidi didn't have, very stable & better looking UI. Thumbs up from me, definitely worth giving a try!

Nice to see someone that used HeidiSQL. I'm on the same boat. It feels like an abandoned project. I guess it's finally time to install DBeaver and say goodbye to Heidi.

Yeah, creUsNa is right, definitely not abandoned, just maintained by one person. And credit to Mr. Becker, HeidiSQL is a fantastic project. I used it for most of my time at my current job, where I came in as a junior developer. My boss and his guys have been supporters of HeidiSQL for years, so they pointed me it to my in my early days.

I'm not sure if it is just an issue with my machine, because others in my office still use Heidi and don't report the bugs I am having. Small as they are, they got annoying enough for me to start seeking alternatives. I would still recommend people giving Heidi a spin if they've never tried it.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by edgarvaldes »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #83
edgarvaldes wrote: post #7

I use Navicat, and I'm very pleased with it.

As we're starting to move away from MS SQL Server, I'm just starting to use postgresql, and Navicat as a tool. But I'm really underwhelmed by Navicat's features and performance. It doesn't seem like a well-thought-out whole, and lacks a lot of obvious features (let's start with freakin' hotkeys for Run and Run Selected). I just discovered DBeaver today, and while it's not up to the standards of SSMS (which is an amaz…

Run is CMD-R, and Run Selected is SHIFT-CMD-R. [0]

[0]https://www2.navicat.com/manual/online_manual/en/navicat/mac...

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by ggregoire »

h1d wrote: post #188
ggregoire wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually think people outside of the US make six-figure salary?

I'm not from US but I'm interested in knowing what people make around the world for software engineers.

Average annual salaries _before taxes_ in Western Europe starts between 30k EUR (Junior dev without a formal degree) and 40k EUR (Junior dev with a MS/engineering degree). I guess most people who started at 40k EUR finish their career between 60k EUR (as senior dev) and 80k EUR (as manager).

Then remove 25% as social charges + ~1 month of net salary as income tax + other various types of taxes.

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