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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by bduerst »

SEJeff wrote: post #104
NicoJuicy wrote: post #48

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Or Apple's marketing team lead to a donation to DDG to make it possible

That and from a purely data privacy angle, Apple is legitimately better than Google.

How so?

Apple shared all their iCloud user data (messages, pics, docs, etc.) and keys with the Chinese government last year. [1] Apple even updated their TOS forcing Chinese users to agree to it or drop service. [2]

Google got flak for just considering it with Dragonfly, but Apple actually did it.

[1] https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by vengefulduck »

cronix wrote: post #168
foepys wrote: post #127

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Afaik Apple went above and beyond to make sure their original iPhone fingerprint sensor never leaked the fingerprint to any app or even the OS itself. Android always just did whatever with the print. If that's the same philosophy now, Apple is definitely better than Google in terms of privacy. Full disclosure: I own an Android device and no Apple product except an iPod from 2009 or so.

Is it really private though if it's all being collected, encryption and all, to be decrypted at a future date when the technology is available? All data on the net is captured by the NSA and stored at multiple data centers. One's in Utah. No company can really claim privacy if their product touches the internet since all of the pipes are tapped. It's all semantics. Maybe saying "we don't directly..." or "we don't mak…

Except they don’t send it over the internet and it never leaves the device

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Aunche »

johnsea wrote: post #135
gowld wrote: post #41

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DDG's main marketing model is talking about how they believe Google is privacy threat, so they'll highlight that angle in any change.

Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by ejoso »

Kye wrote: post #141
SEJeff wrote: post #131

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Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes, and how as the CEO of apple, he will do anything within his power to ensure your data stays safe on apple infra / hw because he personally thinks about it. Can't remember the interview, but it was quite touching actually. He's very clear in shareholder calls / letters and in their privacy p…

"Homosexual" is not strictly offensive, but does mark you as potentially holding regressive views. It's easy enough to see from context that you're probably okay, but you can't always count on context. You can just say gay. -- Signed, The Gays

Speaking on behalf of all gays? Even if you’re gay, I’d be pretty sure you’re mostly just capable of speaking for yourself. Either way it’s a bummer you were offended.

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Post by Aeolun »

tracker1 wrote: post #194
sabas_ge wrote: post #176

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They could have rolled out their own (privacy-focused) map service. The data is open, the stack is open as well.

And how much do the database server(s) cost, not to mention pushing map tiles out in terms of data costs. DDG isn't exactly flush with cash like google and apple are.

Not much at all. In fact, since the tiles are only generated once, they could stick a CDN in front and never have to worry about anything but data transfer costs afterwards.

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Post by ejoso »

Aloha wrote: post #171
SEJeff wrote: post #145

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I just assumed it was the PC version, like African American. No offense meant -- Signed, totally a friend of the Gays

To those of us who are, it sounds excessively clinical, most of us dont like thinking of our sexuality in a clinical way. Also the poster is not wrong, talking about homosexuality, is cool and okay, calling someone a homosexual is often a language flag that they may be less than open minded.

This might all be true, but is there ever going to be a point where we assume positive intent? We shouldn’t be inferring deep-seeded psychological attributes in every day communication. It’s super likely that nothing at all was meant by using the clinical term.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by realityking »

clairity wrote: post #42
reaperducer wrote: post #19

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It's regional. For a long time (in internet time), Apple Maps were clearly inferior to Google Maps. These days, it's more nuanced. In some geographies they have parity. In a select few, Apple is ahead. For most, though, Google is better. For speed and privacy reasons, I check Apple Maps first. If I don't find what I'm looking for, then I go to Google Maps and follow up by force-quitting Google Maps when I'm done.

where do you think apple maps is better than google? google maps is the only google service i still use on a regular basis because it's clearly better than apple maps for me (california mostly). apple maps is ok for simple use cases like finding a known business, but an ambiguous search on google maps is almost always better, as is their routing. i'd love to find a better mapping service for these more complicated us…

For me the killer feature that makes me choose Apple Maps is “turn-by-turn” directions for Transit, including the information which exit is the best one to get to my destination.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by [deleted] »

ejoso wrote: post #205
Kye wrote: post #141

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"Homosexual" is not strictly offensive, but does mark you as potentially holding regressive views. It's easy enough to see from context that you're probably okay, but you can't always count on context. You can just say gay. -- Signed, The Gays

Speaking on behalf of all gays? Even if you’re gay, I’d be pretty sure you’re mostly just capable of speaking for yourself. Either way it’s a bummer you were offended.

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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by izacus »

jdietrich wrote: post #195
taf2 wrote: post #110

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Are they or do you just believe that because of what you think you know about the difference between the two companies?

Apple are primarily a hardware company. They make money on the sale of devices. They also make some money as a marketplace for apps and media. They have no significant revenue from data harvesting or advertising sales. Google are an advertising company. The overwhelming majority of their revenue is from targeted advertising. Their ability to harvest user data is the primary factor affecting their bottom line. For App…

They also make a lot of money in China where betraying their users privacy was required to enter. And that was almost the same week then their CEO, Tim Cook, told on camera that privacy is "fundamental human right". I guess he doesn't consider Chinese people human.
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