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Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by dang »

afpx wrote: post #96
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

Having worked with the World Bank in the past, I think that’s a very uninformed and biased view. They have been very effective in reducing poverty and improving infrastructure in Africa. I recommend that you read facts about what they do before reading random opinions online (from brand new accounts, especially). Also, I know dang warns us about pointing out potential propaganda, but this seems like this post is a go…

Yes, you can't break the site guidelines by insinuating astroturfing and bad faith by another user. If you think you're seeing abuse, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look for evidence. Someone else having a different view than yours is not evidence.

Nor is it a problem if people are inspired to create an account to comment. As long as they follow the rules, that's how HN is supposed to work.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by toomuchtodo »

supergirl wrote: post #158
toomuchtodo wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The entire West has taken advantage out of African nations but God forbid someone else tries to do that now. As an American citizen, yes. We're not perfect by any means, but we're no authoritarian regime such that China has.

> The entire West has taken advantage out of African nations > we're not perfect

China is using political prisoners as organ farms. Russia is flat out physically attacking LGBT individuals and lead by a dictator for life. America is still a shining beacon of freedom in comparison.

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Post by justicezyx »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #193
reaperducer wrote: post #165

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Make America realize that helping other countries will benefit the world including the US in the long run. America does realize this. It's why USAID, VOA, and other agencies spend billions of dollars each year for the last 60+ years building water systems, and swerage treatment plants, distributing medicine, teaching people better agriculture methods, stocking hospitals, supplying HIV/AIDS drugs to 80 million+ people…

> Much of this money is spent in the very nations, especially in the Middle East, that have significant populations that chant "Death to America" every time a television camera is around, then when the news crews go away, return to eating food supplied by the U.S. government. Are you meaning to imply that donating food should buy the U.S. some kind of credit allowance to conduct drone strikes that kill mainly civilia…

Against community rules here:

Why the fk is this down voted?

HN seriously needs to curb this mob mental of attacking noncomforming statements to western mainstream narrative. That's good for everyone, especially for western nations, as their view of the world falls farthest to reality than others in the world.

Also, diversity should be a core value of HN, and statements representing different view should be protected!

Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by simplecomplex »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #181
seibelj wrote: post #112

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It has become popular on the left to blame the IMF for a country’s problems, when the IMF is the last resort for a country that has shot itself in the foot. Some people can’t handle reality when it conflicts with their fantasy.

As someone on 'the left', the criticism are both of the IMF and the local governments. Pretending however that the IMF does not play a role in many 'misfortunes' is laughable. It is also ignorant to pretend that because Africa has been more or less 'independent' for over 40 years, that the history of colonialism should be discounted as having no effect on the present anymore. This does not mean that the countries the…

And what's the left's proposed solution? More forgiving terms or no money at all available?

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Post by monocasa »

seibelj wrote: post #75
supergirl wrote: post #13

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rich loan to poor to get richer. this is new to you? you think china is the first or the last to do this? IMF is doing this wherever they can. the west is annoyed china is doing this too so they push all these "amg china is evil" articles to stir the pot and try to turn the locals against chinese.

No one takes money from the IMF unless they are so screwed that they have no other options. The reason they have no one willing to lend to them is that their government has enacted policies that destroyed their economy and the IMF requires concrete changes to get them back on the right track. The alternative to taking an IMF loan is so bad (collapse of country) that they take it. It isn’t the IMF’s fault, it’s what h…

> The reason they have no one willing to lend to them is that their government has enacted policies that destroyed their economy and the IMF requires concrete changes to get them back on the right track.

I blame the IMF beacuse its austerity numbers were based on a non peer reviewed paper with arthritic errors that simply said what they wanted to hear. That bullshit put the nail in the coffins of several countries.

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Post by dang »

snr wrote: post #119
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

Something tells me this commenter is affiliated with the Chinese government.

This breaks the site guidelines badly, and we ban accounts that do that.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by zmw »

kazinator wrote: post #196
zmw wrote: post #194

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Unlike the fallacy you linked, which is comparing apples to oranges, I made a direct comparison of "colonialism" to colonialism, in response to a direct comparison of "colonialism" to colonialism. Not every comparison is whataboutism, you know.

The relevance can be clarified if we frame it like this: "My economic control in a foreign nation is okay because you're lynching negroes (or did so in the past)."

gp: Europeans feel guilty about the colonial past, so they try very hard to make the Chinese look worse.

me: How can it be worse?

Neither gp nor me mentioned anything being "okay", or blamed any party for completely irrelevant crimes (lynching or whatever). Might need to brush up on reading comprehension.

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Post by kuhhk »

kolikotime wrote: post #149
FakeComments wrote: post #145

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So, I’m American. And honestly, you have every reason to tell me to fuck off and more besides. And I’m not Father Christmas, if you make a deal with me, I expect something in exchange. But what can we do for people in Africa?

Invest in African growth businesses(stocks at the moment, African focused mutual markets). Purchase African products. Lobby your government/EU governments to continue AGOA(US)/open the door towards African food/crop imports (unlikely). And honestly, tourism, some great destinations on the continent, and a great way to actually spend in local economies. Africans don't need charity. The NGO industrial complex has faile…

> Africans don't need charity. The NGO industrial complex has failed to create modern states, it can deliver great help to badly affected communities but it can't leapstart growth.

Since this is a startup/hacker forum, what do you think about entrepreneurs moving there to not only start a business, while being ethically charitable and involved in the locally community (rather than just being a digital nomad). Would this be accepted culturally, or would I just be viewed as a rich foreigner trying to trick/scam the populace?

I've only visited the continent as a tourist, but am very interested in your perspective on cultural viewpoints. And followup question -- are certain African nations more open to outsiders than others?

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Post by dang »

chapium wrote: post #20
oliv__ wrote: post #2

Google cache version: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3CnkxG...

Here is another article as well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nation.co.ke/news/Chinese-m...

Since that article seems both more informative and more neutral (for example, it says "China may" while the other article says "China to"), we switched to it from https://www.africanstand.com/news/africa/east-africa/china-t.... Also, this one is still up and that one isn't. Thanks!
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