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Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by ttoinou »

richrichardsson wrote: post #97
ttoinou wrote: post #71

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but let me as European at least apply the norms of my country Why do you want others to adapt to your culture ? Typically an european attitude if you ask me ;)

I would hope this is an ironic statement.

It is not. Don't use Facebook or Google if you don't like it. My wild guess is decentralized network fail to capture value so you will never be able to have decentralized alternative you can use instead of Facebook or Google. My other wild guess is EU is too red taped to be able to grow good competitor to them. So good luck !

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by ttoinou »

josephg wrote: post #90
ttoinou wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but let me as European at least apply the norms of my country Why do you want others to adapt to your culture ? Typically an european attitude if you ask me ;)

I know you write this in jest, but the problem is that when Germans talk purely to other Germans on Facebook, they still have to do so according to American cultural standards. I can stage a protest on the street outside here in Melbourne and the social rules, expectations and conventions that I am subject to are Australian. But there’s no equivalent online - if I organise that protest with other Australians on FB or…

Your iPhone is giving you the freedom to access a lot of contents and apps, but has restricted some parts of it. Use something else if you don't like it

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by Fjolsvith »

sangnoir wrote: post #199
shams93 wrote: post #180

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Most porn USED to be produced in the SF Valley, I used to work in the industry. A whole series of new laws forced the industry out of California. My old boss sells insurance now. A lot of modern porn is now produced in eastern europe. Basically no new porn is produced in SFV, only the softcore companies like Vivid are still in business here.

I know free porn on the web was debilitating to the industry; however, to my knowledge no US state is close to CA's production, even now; which was my point, it's not like there's a whole lot of (professional) porn coming out of OH, MS or IL

In Kansas you must have a license to produce porn legally (to do so otherwise is a felony that district attorneys vigorously prosecute), and the state government doesn't operate an office to issue those licenses.

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Post by tokyodude »

toyg wrote: post #119
tokyodude wrote: post #100

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I agree with almost everything you wrote but... it's easy for me to see almost no connection between viewing violence and people commiting violent behavior. It's much easier for me to see a connection between sexy media and sexual behavior with consequences like teen pregnancy and STDs. I watch a violent movie yet I don't want to commit violent acts after. I watch a sexy movie and I do start to desire to have sex. it…

You probably had your fair share of “pew pew” when you were a kid. That was your “i get the desire of violence” phase, then you just got desensitised. Or do you think everybody in the porn industry is perennially aroused on the workplace? Obviously not.

I think a 16 yr old playing Call Of Duty doesn't then go out and shoot people. I think it's possible the same 16 yr old watching porn or even a sexy music video likely goes out and tries to get laid (fine) influenced by said porn/video but which can easily lead to real world consequences (std or pregnancy).

In otherwords it's possible violent media has little consequence, sexy media has consequences.

This is a response as to why some cultures are okay with violent media and not okay with sexy media.

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Post by toyg »

tokyodude wrote: post #204
toyg wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably had your fair share of “pew pew” when you were a kid. That was your “i get the desire of violence” phase, then you just got desensitised. Or do you think everybody in the porn industry is perennially aroused on the workplace? Obviously not.

I think a 16 yr old playing Call Of Duty doesn't then go out and shoot people. I think it's possible the same 16 yr old watching porn or even a sexy music video likely goes out and tries to get laid (fine) influenced by said porn/video but which can easily lead to real world consequences (std or pregnancy). In otherwords it's possible violent media has little consequence, sexy media has consequences. This is a respon…

Are you seriously stating that a 16yo tries to get laid because he’s watched a “sexy music video”, rather than because he is a 16yo?

Sorry, I just cannot take you seriously after that. Dude, people used to have kids even younger than that, when media didn’t even exist.

If you really want to rationalise current mores, you could try looking at how kids might have to use or face violence earlier that they get any sexual instinct, so they should be trained right away. But it’s still a baseless theory to justify a state of things mostly driven by arbitrary religious taboos.

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Post by Lazare »

mooman219 wrote: post #193
Lazare wrote: post #173

There is a uniquely annoying feeling you get when you see someone powerful being utterly obtuse and wrong in a way that is damaging to others, but can't readily be challenged. Everything about this story is just so fundamentally wrongheaded. They're enforcing a deeply misguided policy in a way which is both inconsistent and unfair, yet also inept. There's just so much wrong here, it's hard to even know where to start…

Let's be realistic, this applies to all walled gardens, including Apple's store.

Oh, absolutely. The story was about Google, but it's at least as true (and has been true for longer) about Apple.

Similar comments could be made about Tumblr, which has implemented similarly wrong headed policies in a similarly incompetent way, and has also done a ton of damage, although it's less frustrating watching a single site do it. Ultimately Verizon owns Tumblr, and they can ruin it if they like, and the damage will be somewhat limited because it can't really spread beyond Tumblr.

Google and Apple have vastly more power over vastly more of our digital lives.

As a libertarian, I reflexively resist suggestions of regulation, but actions like this (or on a somewhat different vein, Facebook's) make that position harder and harder to support. It's hard to overstate the power that running the dominant Android app store gives Google, and thus the responsibility they have to use that power wisely.

Unfortunately, even if we wanted to try the regulation option, the current political climate makes that a non-starter; the neo-Victorian sexual panic is firmly entrenched in Congress (see, eg, SESTA/FOSTA). We're screwed.

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Post by Fnoord »

ttoinou wrote: post #201
richrichardsson wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hope this is an ironic statement.

It is not. Don't use Facebook or Google if you don't like it. My wild guess is decentralized network fail to capture value so you will never be able to have decentralized alternative you can use instead of Facebook or Google. My other wild guess is EU is too red taped to be able to grow good competitor to them. So good luck !

> My wild guess is decentralized network fail to capture value

Decentralized networks such as what? Usenet? SMTP? BGP?

Facebook and Google need to adapt to our laws. Yes, they are allowed to be more restrictive than our laws (till some extend), but not less.

The "just don't use Microsoft/Apple/Google/Facebook/Amazon" mantra gets old very quick. I do use Apple, but only macOS. I do use Android, but not GApps. I don't use Facebook. I use a local alternative to Amazon. I don't use Microsoft. Anyway, it is a chicken egg problem due to the network effect, and on top of that Europe could not win this even if they wanted to because the NSA does economic espionage as well which furthermore complicates the problem.

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Post by eli »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #200
eli wrote: post #109

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Most people don’t run Adblock on mobile and probably aren’t getting any better ad rates running native ads vs mobile web.

I'm not sure what the numbers are, but I'd bet most Reddit users do run an ad blocker.

On mobile web? I think I’d take the other side of that bet.

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Post by partiallypro »

laumars wrote: post #167
partiallypro wrote: post #132

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The US has pretty liberal standards on pornography and art...I mean most pornography and such art is produced in the US itself. Tasteful nudity in the US is not frowned upon, perhaps in public, yes...but I don't know of many countries where that isn't frowned upon outside beaches. I'm not sure what you're referring to, or if you are that familiar with the US. The UK on the other hand and some other European countries…

My experience is actually the reverse. USA weirdly conservative about nudity - to the point that Americans often confuse nudity and pornography (as you had done in your post replying to a person talking about nonsexual nudity).

I don't believe I confused pornography with nudity, I am merely stating that pornography and nudity are both fairly accepted outlets in the US. I do believe that many foreign people (largely Europeans) believe the US is very conservative in regards to nudity and are just flat wrong...likely because they have very limited experience in the US.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by tokyodude »

toyg wrote: post #205
tokyodude wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a 16 yr old playing Call Of Duty doesn't then go out and shoot people. I think it's possible the same 16 yr old watching porn or even a sexy music video likely goes out and tries to get laid (fine) influenced by said porn/video but which can easily lead to real world consequences (std or pregnancy). In otherwords it's possible violent media has little consequence, sexy media has consequences. This is a respon…

Are you seriously stating that a 16yo tries to get laid because he’s watched a “sexy music video”, rather than because he is a 16yo ? Sorry, I just cannot take you seriously after that. Dude, people used to have kids even younger than that, when media didn’t even exist . If you really want to rationalise current mores , you could try looking at how kids might have to use or face violence earlier that they get any sex…

I think 16yr olds shooting people in games or watching them get shot in the latest movie doesn't lead to 16yr olds shooting people in real life

I think 16yr olds watching pornhub with gangbangs and other extreme sexual behavior leads some 16yr olds to seek that out. Something my parents for example had zero exposure too when they were growing up in the 50s. Where would they have seen that kind of stuff at 16?

https://qz.com/849487/they-go-into-a-different-world-and-we-...

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-36527681

Note: I'm an in no way suggesting going back or banning anything. I'm only responding to the very common argument

> Q: Why is a sexual media considered harmful to children while graphic displays of violence aren’t? I will never understand that norm.

A: Sexual media has measurable consequences, violent media does not (so far)

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