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Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by secabeen »

slantyyz wrote: post #123
jf- wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the kind of nitpicking negativity I expected to see when I opened the thread. It’s an app for running VMs, not a piece of consumer software, it’s not being marketed based on how it looks. Say what you will about oracle’s business practises, but it’s a crying shame that this is the top comment. Edit: was top comment. Crying shame averted.

>> It’s an app for running VMs, not a piece of consumer software On Macs, Fusion and Parallels are arguably consumer software. In the early days of x86 on Mac, they were the carrot to lure a lot of non-technical people who used Windows at work to get a Mac. Since there are a lot of people who gravitate towards "free as in beer" software, you can't not expect a Mac user to at least look at VirtualBox as a consumer app…

Yep. We're in the edu space, and we regularly recommend VBox to Mac users who want to run a single Windows application on their Mac. Fusion and Parallels are both better, but for intermittent use, free VBox wins out over $80-$100 Fusion/Parallels.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Drdrdrq »

simonh wrote: post #33
maaaats wrote: post #4

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> Be careful about VirtualBox Extensions Don't you mean: Be careful to follow the licensing for whatever products you use.

This is Oracle. The Extension Pack has additional features particularly valuable in an enterprise environment, BUT there is no way to actually buy a commercial license and as per some other threads Oracle salespeople are advising enterprise customers to just use it anyway. Oracle setting a licensing trap they can spring at their whim? Perish the thought!

It is unbelieveable that a company which employs such tactics against their users can survive. I know I avoid their products like plague, Java and DB included.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by gruez »

jstarfish wrote: post #195
gruez wrote: post #187

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from wikipedia: >Phishing is the fraudulent attempt to obtain sensitive information such as usernames, passwords and credit card details by disguising as a trustworthy entity in an electronic communication "using virtualbox" isn't sensitive information. I haven't read the emails, but I doubt Oracle is disguising themselves as the company's IT department or something.

If you don't think information that subjects an entity to massive legal liability is sensitive, then I really don't understand where you're coming from. The entire point of these emails is to bypass established channels by getting random employees to leak information. If they want licensing information, there's an IT point of contact for that. Or Contracts. Or Legal. They are literally fishing for information leakage…

>If you don't think information that subjects an entity to massive legal liability is sensitive, then I really don't understand where you're coming from.

The employees were already subjecting their company to legal liability when they were using unlicensed software.

>The entire point of these emails is to bypass established channels by getting random employees to leak information. If they want licensing information, there's an IT point of contact for that. Or Contracts. Or Legal. They are literally fishing for information leakage that would give them grounds to sue.

So if I'm Oracle and I'm trying to find unlicensed enterprise users, what am I supposed to do? Call up their IT/legal department and hope that they'll investigate for me, and respond with a truthful response? Is Oracle not allowed to investigate on their own for licensing infractions? I feel like the only reason people are up in arms about this is because Oracle is doing it. If some startup was doing this to discover that some big corp was not paying their licensing fees, no one would blink an eye.

>They wouldn't. At this stage the point is to convey a false sense of authority without being outright fraud. You have to wrap everything in vague but threatening insinuations-- "help us or you could face fines of up to a bazillion dollars, and/or you might go to JAIL."

Sure, but cops do the same thing (if not more). I'm not saying either is okay, but both are not "phishing".

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Silhouette »

cm2187 wrote: post #86
teekert wrote: post #65

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Exactly, I'm upvoting this to prevent poor souls stuck on Windows from looking for these nice solutions...

But can't the poor souls stuck on windows use hyper-v and RDP into the vm?

I think Hyper-V is Windows 8+ (or similar generations of Windows Server), isn't it?

Much of the Windows world is still on Windows 7, and it would be rather ironic if they were updating because of concerns about software phoning home...

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by deadcow »

bayindirh wrote: post #30
robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

We use virt-manager to virtualize servers on servers with joy, however I use VBox to virtualize Windows hosts with hardware acceleration if possible. How is the state of KVM's support about 3D acceleration, sound, drag'n drop and like?

For sound I would recommend scream: https://github.com/duncanthrax/scream

I've been using it in my KVM PCI passthrough VM for some months and it works well.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by mattferderer »

setquk wrote: post #111
organsnyder wrote: post #103

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Even worse: Oracle is going around and threatening to sue enterprises that show traffic to the extensions download site from their IP blocks. Happened recently at a previous employer of mine.

Any public references for this anywhere?

My last enterprise I worked at sent out an announcement that anyone with VirtualBox had to remove it.

What amazed me was when I first started there & asked if I could install it, most everyone was clueless what it even was. So Oracle had to have done some audit that found it, because I don't believe more than 1 or 2 other people would have been using it.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by ergo14 »

chomp wrote: post #184
plq wrote: post #171

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Why not use KVM via vagrant-libvirt? It's pretty easy to set up and works like a charm. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18727059

So one problem with that is not all of our team uses Linux, we're a Mac/Linux hybrid team. Our workflow was to edit the puppet manifests locally and then Vagrant up, and we wanted something that would work across different dev machines. However, the fussiness of environment setup started to go higher the further we got from VBox; our team didn't really want to invest time into a workflow that was supposed to be an in…

You can have mixed provider vagrant files.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by nunez »

robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

Thank you for providing these links. I've been looking for an alternative to VBox for quite some time (I don't like anything that Oracle touches, as Oracle is a law firm with a tech problem); these help.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by genocidicbunny »

plq wrote: post #170

Virtualbox is not your only option if you want to use Vagrant. Vagrant has decent plugins for qemu (vagrant-libvirt) and lxd (vagrant-lxd) Make sure you get your KVM, Qemu and libvirt setup right and run: vagrant plugin install vagrant-libvirt vagrant init generic/ubuntu1804 vagrant up --provider=libvirt You can export VAGRANT_DEFAULT_PROVIDER=libvirt to avoid passing --provider=libvirt to vagrant all the time. vagra…

You can also put

  ENV['VAGRANT_DEFAULT_PROVIDER'] =
In your Vagrantfile to force a specific provider to always be used for that Vagrantfile.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by crazysim »

orf wrote: post #6

> Added support for using Hyper-V as the fallback execution core on Windows host, to avoid inability to run VMs at the price of reduced performance Any comparisons between hyper-v and virtual box performance? I would have assumed hyper-v would be more performant.

I really wish VMware would support this. I'm surprised Virtualbox has a technical advantage here.
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