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Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by devwastaken »

kungtotte wrote: post #182
devwastaken wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because once you download the js you don't redownload it on every page request. When you want to update contents you get the new data to be displayed. This is how any other gui application does server communication. The traditional page based responses re-send all the html content over again. If the client can cache it then it doesn't have to be, but caching something like a git frontend does not work with page b…

When most of the web looks like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17655316 I'm happy about Drew's decision to not include JS.

As I just stated, you don't need to have 1MB of JS to do things, it's that software companies typically do it because they're about actually providing a service and solving problems than worrying about non-issues such as 1 second more of initial download time.

This is 2018. You don't have a 56K modem, I don't have one. Those that do will benefit from smaller data requests after the initial download. Holding back the real issues the web can solve over an arbitrary problem like that is damaging to what can be achieved.

The web is a software platform, and unless you want to equally complain about applications in C that go over 1MB, you're making mountains out of mole hills.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by emersion »

zestyping wrote: post #129

You mention: > lists.sr.ht finally modernizes mailing lists What's new that lists.sr.ht brings to the table? I only had a quick browse of https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-dev , but as far as I could tell it looked like a pretty normal list of topic lines (like a typical web forum), and the e-mail conversations themselves are just the messages concatenated into one long page (e.g. https://lists.sr.ht/~emersion/mrsh…

Just having this is a huge improvement over what most lists have (e.g. https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/).

There are also patch formatting features that let you comfortably review patches: https://lists.sr.ht/%7Eemersion/mrsh-dev/%3C20180929203159.3...

The planned code review features (commenting a line, approving, applying a patch, reporting CI status) are also novel for mailing lists.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by GordonS »

With a service like this, I don't understand why a lack of tracking is touted as a feature - I don't want Google et al tracking my search history and across 3rd party websites, but I want to provide usage data to services I value.

Usage data is valuable for understanding how users use your service, features that aren't used, or simply not discovered. I'd personally prefer that tracking was added, but as an opt-in model.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by palerdot »

This service looks promising, but it is unfortunate that we have to go as barebones as 'no javscript' to convince people that they are not doing any malicious tracking. Javascript is becoming inevitable and some service/company that helps us trust a site's javascript will be most welcome in the future.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by cuddlecake »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #75
LyndsySimon wrote: post #31

I love this, and wish it well. I currently host my personal repositories on GitLab, as I see the monoculture that has developed around GitHub to be dangerous for the community in the long term. I went ahead and created an account on sr.ht, and subscribed for the $20 / year plan. Whether or not I end up using the service (though I think I will), I'm happy to spend $20 to support this work. One note - the billing plans…

For the sake of sustainability, I want to discourage people from using one-time payments. For the time being charge -> cancel manually is the preferred way to do this. Thanks for your support!

That is understandable, as long as it is not difficult to find the cancellation button.

Gonna go and subscribe as well, probably. Looks quite promising.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by PuercoPop »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #195
edwinyzh wrote: post #193

Trying to register, and got a 403: Forbidden You don't have the permission to access the requested resource. It is either read-protected or not readable by the server.

Can you try again now?

Ftw I got the same error if I tried to log from the signup page. But when I tried to sign up from the form in the sidebar it worked

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by dustfinger »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #199
dustfinger wrote: post #166

Have you considered adding a docker image repository similar to Dockerhub to the ecosystem? Alternatively, have you considered contacting the folks at dockerhub and request integration similar to GitHub [1]? [1] https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/github/

This was discussed here: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/%3CFA9122A8-8BD1...

Thank you!

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

PuercoPop wrote: post #207
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you try again now?

Ftw I got the same error if I tried to log from the signup page. But when I tried to sign up from the form in the sidebar it worked

Ah, thanks, that explains it! The fix is being deployed now.

Re: Sr.ht, the hacker's forge, now open for public alpha

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Post by intertextuality »

gbear605 wrote: post #190
intertextuality wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as a reflection of the website's overall design stance: no frills, no stupid material design, no js junk scripts. Just a fast-loading website that loads what it needs to. This kind of website is quite refreshing in 2018. Maybe one day it will have a tiny amount of JS, but let's cross that bridge when it comes. That's still better than the vast majority of modern websites built today.

It does already have some JS. On the builds page, when it is running a build, it refreshes every second to show new output.

Even if it did have JS, I think most of the crowd would be fine with minimal JS also, since there are some legitimate use cases. Having JS is not the end of the world, but today's standard is to completely abuse it, leading to horrifically bloated websites.
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