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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by thundergolfer »

tdb7893 wrote: post #70
manigandham wrote: post #52

Google has great primitives. But they are very slow in releasing new features, and what they do provide is only offered in "the google way". AWS and Azure might not have everything packaged as clean, functional, scalable components, but instead they look at what companies are using today and just offer a managed version of it as quickly as possible, with a constant stream of updates. They apply the iterative process…

Anecdotally I've met an absolutely crazy amount of recent Google Cloud hires in the past few months so I'm curious if the pace of updates will improve in like a year as they throw money at it.

They told me in Grad interviews that a majority of their grad hires are into Google Cloud right now.

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Post by halbritt »

markbnj wrote: post #158
matchagaucho wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inability to connect with a real human when escalating Google Cloud issues seems to be recurring theme on HN.

We're a pretty small fish as Google Cloud clients go, but we have honestly not had this problem at all. We get very fast response to support tickets, and on the rare occasions where we've had to escalate they have gone as far as setting up hangouts with senior engineers.

I'm not that small a fish as far as GCP customers go and 80% of my support experiences have been ridiculous.

20% have been fabulous, so there's that. I'm also still very fond of GCP as I don't rely on support to operate my service.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by halbritt »

realusername wrote: post #195
brazzledazzle wrote: post #192

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The AWS console is far from being great but last time I used Azure’s it was terribly slow and full of little bugs. The UI was kind of flashy and hip and combined with the bugs it made them seem silly, especially contrasted against the AWS console’s utilitarian look. It was painful. I’m not saying I’ll never try it again but I’d need to be convinced.

I totally agree with that, during the small amount of time I had access I found that the UI clearly has some issues. It's clunky, slow and difficult to navigate. AWS isn't exactly a great model of good UI but Azure is clearly even worse, I would personally put GCP in the top spot for the UI and Azure as the last one.

Agreed. GCP UI is... Actually usable. There are cases where I prefer that to the UI or API.

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Post by uiri »

Spooky23 wrote: post #161
ChuckMcM wrote: post #57

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I see the same thing, it was also IBM's cloud services pitch that they "understood the enterprise" better than Google or Amazon does. It is a pain to try to compare stuff though because there aren't good standards for "cloud revenue." According to [1] IBM generated $18.5B over 12 months in cloud revenue. While Forbes[2] talks about $6.1B and $6.9B in quarterly cloud revenue of Amazon and Microsoft (a $24 - $28B annua…

IMO AWS is the true king — the Microsoft numbers are spiked by Office 365 licenses, most of which is renting Office itself. Amazon is the only one not playing games with definitions. IBM is very vague, and I would guess that they are recharacterizing traditional software sales as private cloud by giving away cloud management components. Google historically had a strange attitude towards enterprise sales and truely an…

Office 365 licenses are reported with traditional Office licenses. It is an entirely separate unit from Cloud revenue.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/earnings/FY-2018-Q4...

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Post by bduerst »

ekianjo wrote: post #95
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

When was this? Was it an event or an onsite client visit? Was it for cloud or a different product?

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Post by halbritt »

mcbain wrote: post #141
outworlder wrote: post #110

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> Other things like a lack of presence in China could be challenging in the future as well. Well, to be fair, NONE of the big clouds have any presence in China. They are "in China" in name only. For instance, 'AWS' China is not AWS, you will be dealing with Sinnet for Beijing or whoever else operates the Ningxia region. The underlying software is a baby version which doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of feat…

I’m not sure what you are angling at here. The China regions might not have all the AWS services present, and they have some extra restrictions, but they aren’t some kind of clones of AWS software. Unless I’m missing something, they are the same versions of what runs in the other regions.

You can't go into the AWS console and select a region in China and then provision resources.

AWS-China is literally a different organization with a different service on a different URI and with whom you'll need to establish a different contractual relationship.

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Post by halbritt »

partiallypro wrote: post #6
Arqu wrote: post #5

Touching on big G trying to catch up - I've recently had some issues with GCP and while the addition of more accessible support (you can now reach some support person relatively easy) it helps little unless it's a request that they can handle with a single button press. While it now FEELS less frustrating as you have somebody to talk to, it doesn't help that I have an issue that is being ping-ponged around different…

Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

I can't seem to figure out the identity management services. Am I using live.com, azure, AD, which is it?

Provisioning instances take quite a long time. The response I received from a product manager was, "how long should it take?"

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Post by mcqueenjordan »

outworlder wrote: post #110
ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

> Other things like a lack of presence in China could be challenging in the future as well. Well, to be fair, NONE of the big clouds have any presence in China. They are "in China" in name only. For instance, 'AWS' China is not AWS, you will be dealing with Sinnet for Beijing or whoever else operates the Ningxia region. The underlying software is a baby version which doesn't have anywhere near the same amount of feat…

There are laws and regulations in China about who can own the physical infrastructure, but that doesn't mean that it isn't AWS. The implication that the only benefit is that the name is retained is simply false.

Due to laws and logistics, AWS Classic -> AWS China aren't at full feature parity, but it's certainly not some watered down or different version of the AWS cloud.

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Post by dijit »

partiallypro wrote: post #181
dijit wrote: post #79

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I don't really care enough about microsoft to hate it as a company, there's some good and some bad. Visual Studio is one of the best IDE's around. And Windows itself has some really good ideas underneath (like IOCP). But it's fair to say I'm not a fan of Windows itself. My bias is purely on the technical merits of the provider. My company had a pretty large discount on Azure so it was under strong consideration. My p…

> My point about it "being harmful at worst" is that it's spreading uncertainty without any actual evidence. Actually, that's precisely what -you- are doing, not me. > I, on the other-hand have evidence from a 12,000+ person company that is using all three cloud providers. I worked at a much larger company than that with over 20K employees that used Azure/O365 and AWS (but no GCS.) Your anecdote means nothing. You're…

Excellent. Then this is the forum to list them.

FWIW our migration to office365 has been pretty great, but I don’t see it as being the same thing as using Azure for your product.

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