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Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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> all obsolete now What is it used for? If you buy Intel, you know beforehand you won't be able to upgrade the CPU, since the socket is changed (intentionally, of course) every generation. But the CPU isn't the issue for e.g. gaming, and upgrading every generation or every other generation largely doesn't make any sense at all with Intel parts for the last eight years or so. Since you're saying obsolete, you probably…

> If you buy Intel, you know beforehand you won't be able to upgrade the CPU, since the socket is changed (intentionally, of course) every generation. But the CPU isn't the issue for e.g. gaming, and upgrading every generation or every other generation largely doesn't make any sense at all with Intel parts for the last eight years or so. Is it really true that the socket changes every generation? My impression was th…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

Intel seems to change desktop sockets every 2 years now. That includes multiple generations, but 2 years of CPU improvements is not significant in almost all cases. A new motherboard with each new CPU is the likely situation. AMD has supported sockets for longer, and that seems to be continuing.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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From the FAQ: > Can I upgrade the GPU chip in the Blackmagic eGPU? > No, the design has been optimized for quiet operation so it’s better suited for creative customers. This means the design is not a simple chassis with a PCIe card plugged in, but an integrated electronics, mechanical and cooling design that cannot have the GPU chip upgraded or changed. $699 and no ability to upgrade makes it pretty clear that they'r…

OTOH $699 sounds like a reasonable price for a GPU in that class? You're just trading an internal interface for an external one.

Except that the GPU they've got in their should have a retail price of $200-300. So there's a $400 markup for a PSU and usb hub.

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I'd bet 99.9% of people buying PC Laptops never upgrade a single chip... Apple's non-pro lines are likely not much different. Apple largely sacrificed that ability (in a few product lines) in favour of creating some of the thinnest laptops available. I don't remember them ever doing that before Macbook Air, for now reason. That said, in this case, I don't see what is being gained by not making the GPU swappable or at…

> I'd bet 99.9% of people buying PC Laptops never upgrade a single chip... Some huge percentage of that is because many if not most laptops shipping today have wired everything down. You can't even update the Wifi chip in most laptops today, even though the whole reason we put Wifi on a daughtercard in the first place is because we knew the standards were going to have to move... Meanwhile, I'm typing this from a fiv…

You are the first person I've ever heard complain about not being able to upgrade the wifi in their laptop.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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From the FAQ: > Can I upgrade the GPU chip in the Blackmagic eGPU? > No, the design has been optimized for quiet operation so it’s better suited for creative customers. This means the design is not a simple chassis with a PCIe card plugged in, but an integrated electronics, mechanical and cooling design that cannot have the GPU chip upgraded or changed. $699 and no ability to upgrade makes it pretty clear that they'r…

It would have been nice if the GPU and active cooling were an upgradable module even if proprietary. There's a $400+ markup for what's effectively a USB hub and PSU.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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I'd bet 99.9% of people buying PC Laptops never upgrade a single chip... Apple's non-pro lines are likely not much different. Apple largely sacrificed that ability (in a few product lines) in favour of creating some of the thinnest laptops available. I don't remember them ever doing that before Macbook Air, for now reason. That said, in this case, I don't see what is being gained by not making the GPU swappable or at…

> I'd bet 99.9% of people buying PC Laptops never upgrade a single chip... Some huge percentage of that is because many if not most laptops shipping today have wired everything down. You can't even update the Wifi chip in most laptops today, even though the whole reason we put Wifi on a daughtercard in the first place is because we knew the standards were going to have to move... Meanwhile, I'm typing this from a fiv…

HP laptops are a huge exception to this rule. We commonly upgrade RAM and drives on our laptops.

One of the elitebooks I saw recently doesn't even need a screwdriver to open the laptop.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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I upgraded the ram and disk on my 2012 13in MacBook Pro. The lack of upgradability on the newer machines is a real turn off.

The option is to buy it fully specced. A new 6-core i9 with 32 gigs of DDR4 amd 4TB of flash storage will probably keep you happy for the next 5 years. That means your budget is slightly above US$ 1200/year of happy computing with a Mac. If you don't need macOS or an ultra-elegant thin computer with an incredible screen, you'll probably be happier with a PC from Dell or Lenovo with similar specs and an updated machin…

> The option is to buy it fully specced. A new 6-core i9 with 32 gigs of DDR4 amd 4TB of flash storage will probably keep you happy for the next 5 years. That means your budget is slightly above US$ 1200/year of happy computing with a Mac.

The problem is that not everyone has the budget to buy a fully-speced machine at the time of initial purchase. Also, many laptop vendors charge a significant premium to buy such configurations.

Apple partly solves this by simply not even selling the low-speced "base model" that other vendors would advertise. But still, buying low/mid-range now and upgrading later can be significantly more tolerable on the wallet than going-for-broke every major upgrade cycle.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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From the FAQ: > Can I upgrade the GPU chip in the Blackmagic eGPU? > No, the design has been optimized for quiet operation so it’s better suited for creative customers. This means the design is not a simple chassis with a PCIe card plugged in, but an integrated electronics, mechanical and cooling design that cannot have the GPU chip upgraded or changed. $699 and no ability to upgrade makes it pretty clear that they'r…

"Creative customers" sounds like some kind of patronizing euphemism.

In what way? Plenty of designers & photographers I know frequently refer to themselves and peers as "creatives." Creative is being used as a noun in the phrase.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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Four years ago I bought a desktop gaming PC (I'm normally a Mac user) with the idea that I could upgrade it over the years to keep it current but avoid replacing the whole thing. Turns out in practice technology changes enough over that time to only leave the case, and perhaps the PSU. The motherboard, CPU, RAM and graphics card are all obsolete now. The SSD can be reused but newer technology is much faster. I don't…

Not really. I use my 4 year old CPU, power supply, memory and motherboard with a brand new geforce 1080. I could also upgrade the memory if I wanted to. If you upgrade the CPU, you usually have to upgrade the motherboard. That's about it.

Agreed. Built a PC almost 5 years ago and the only modifications I've made have been adding more disk drives. GPU's starting to drag but I hardly game anymore so still works like a charm.

Re: Blackmagic eGPU – Thunderbolt 3 external graphics processor

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They're targeting DaVinci Resolve users. It's not a great deal for gamers and related nerds but there are lots of Apple-compatible enclosures out now. https://egpu.io/ is a good resource.

I'm wondering how much work in Davinci you can do with the AMD ipgu in the new 15" mbpro.. enough to grade 4k raw footage? Or do you need an egpu?

I don't know anything about DaVinci Resolve but if you scroll through the horrible unlinkable site you'll get to a performance graph and that graph has a tab for the new 15" MBP - it claims the eGPU is about twice faster for various operations in Resolve.

If you look up the parts themselves, the Pro 580 (in the eGPU box) is roughly 2-3 times faster than the RX 560X that you can get in the new 15" MBP.

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