I'm thankful for their new design, actually. After many years of trying, I have now managed to successfully kick my Reddit habit completely and have gained precious hours in my day.
I've been trying to pin down _why_ I've had the same reaction as you, but I really can't put my finger on it. Something about the new site just somehow puts me off. While I could mindlessly browse the old site endlessly, something about the new actively makes me want to close the tab. Either way, a good thing.
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Re: Please stop asking me to use the app
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Create -> Monetize -> Expand -> Exploit -> Destroy It's a common commercial lifecycle for all sorts of things. You make a new thing. You find a way to make money from the thing. You expand your market for the thing by filling a need and treating your customers well. At some point you want to cash out, and start burning your userbase to make extra money. Eventually this destroys the whole thing.
it's not common. most businesses do not wait years until they capriciously decide to make money. that's because most businesses are not funded by the silicon valley, it's float or die.
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The Reddit .compact view is great, and should be how mobile sites work. All server render, and a tiny bit of interactivity. It's miles better than the real mobile view. Try it yourself at : reddit.com/.compact
The only thing wrong is the font size, should be at least 16px for better readability and usability.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think what it is is that we associate the old design with good times. We associate it with those deep, late night discussions about something esoteric from back when reddit was a smaller but more knowledgable community. Like any social site, as it grows the average quality decreases. Today reddit is the #10 most popular site worldwide, and largely the discussions are bandwagony / low effort. For me when I see the s…
This cannot be all of it. I've never been a Reddit user besides the occasional research e.g. in the wiki of /r/BuildAPC. But even I am put off by the new design. Possible explanations: 1. It looks like a mobile app. I hate most of the mobile ecosystem for its horrible information density and dark UI patterns. 2. You cannot find shit. The only way to open a subreddit's wiki in the new UI is to append "/wiki" to the UR…
www.reddit.com: 4285 kb
old.reddit.com: 1888 kb
i.reddit.com: 802 kb
Im not 100% confident those stats are really getting everything on the page but it seems about right. Anyway, perhaps you are sensing that the junk/cruft to content ratio is rising.Assuming 5 kWh per GB of data[1], and 14 billion reddit pageviews per month [2]
# i.reddit.com
5 kWh/GB x 1e-6 GB/KB x x 1e-9 TWh/kWh x 802 KB/view x 14e9 views/month x 12 months/year
= 0.67 TWh/year
# old.reddit.com
= 1.6 TWh/year
# www.reddit.com
= 3.6 TWh/year
So about 3 TWh extra electricity is being used each year. This is about the total used each year by Papua New Guinea, which is ranked 133/219 in electricity consumption by country.[3]And for what? What did we gain from this?
[1] https://aceee.org/files/proceedings/2012/data/papers/0193-00...
[2] https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/reddit-stats/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici...
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago. I don't have the same feelings about Reddit. The only difference to me is there's actually some subtle sort of connection I feel here, that goes deeper than the number of upvotes. Maybe I'm selecting my own bubble to exist in, but here I feel like I can at least have doubt over that. Design choices, hacker philosophy, actual usage demonstrated practically - that all li…
> HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago. Not my experience at all. In fact if anything I'd say HN today feels the way Reddit felt ten years ago.
1. I got off Reddit
2. I saw that that had changed my conversation style
3. I appreciated that I had matured in a way I could notice, without it having to be pointed out to me, or rewarded with upvotes
Re: Please stop asking me to use the app
#206I'm thankful for their new design, actually. After many years of trying, I have now managed to successfully kick my Reddit habit completely and have gained precious hours in my day.
After having to click "visit old reddit" a few times, I just got sick of it.
> After many years of trying, I have now managed to successfully kick my Reddit habit completely and have gained precious hours in my day.
It stopped being fun. Reddit has turned into the infowars of the left. It's just spiteful and angry leftist politics 24/7. I suppose it was inevitable when reddit sold itself to a news media company, but still sad to see reddit die a slow and painful death. Was once a great site for open ideas, discussions and jokes.
Re: Please stop asking me to use the app
#207http://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-is-reportedly-consider...
They aren't interested in user experience. They are interested in drumming up mobile #s in the short term to get the best valuation possible. Reddit, like most things on the internet, have turned away from their idealistic beginnings for the cold hard cash. Not that I blame them really.
I've been through situations like reddit is going through. I can guarantee you that they don't care 1 bit about user complaints at this stage. It's all about getting the metrics they need to the valuation they want. They don't care whether reddit survives or not over the long term. They don't care about user experience. It's all about the short term right now and cashing out as quickly as possible.
Think of it like trying to sell your car. You don't car about its long term prospects. You just want to spend as little money as possible to make it look as good as possible to make as much money off of it in the short term.
Re: Please stop asking me to use the app
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> HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago. Not my experience at all. In fact if anything I'd say HN today feels the way Reddit felt ten years ago.
Honestly, I felt that way for a day or a week maybe, but 1. I got off Reddit 2. I saw that that had changed my conversation style 3. I appreciated that I had matured in a way I could notice, without it having to be pointed out to me, or rewarded with upvotes
(I'm not denying that today's Reddit is quite different from HN if that's what you're trying to say)
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#209EDIT: I just learned that old.* goes to a non-js version that doesn’t have these problems! Yay!
Re: Please stop asking me to use the app
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, HN feels the same way HN felt ten years ago. I don't have the same feelings about Reddit. The only difference to me is there's actually some subtle sort of connection I feel here, that goes deeper than the number of upvotes. Maybe I'm selecting my own bubble to exist in, but here I feel like I can at least have doubt over that. Design choices, hacker philosophy, actual usage demonstrated practically - that all li…
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths Interesting article I suggest reading. I agree with TheCoelacanth that an increase in users will lead to a decrease in quality.
There are always going to be lots of people on the internet, lots of voices, hence, ranking algorithms. But I've been trying to find a place where the ranking algorithm doesn't get so much in the way of having a conversation. This is how I grew up watching my father interact on Usenet, and my father as a consequence had very interesting, philosophical conversations with me.
So I see these places as places that are intrinsically valuable to continuing dialogue and personal identity. There's a lot of noise out there and I'd imagine it's no different than any other social sphere.
This article is very cynical and very "I'm in the in group, I'm more smarter, I'm more analytical, I 'get it' - not you" which doesn't have to be the way people see it. That's a divisive mentality, and nothing good grows from communities that attack it's own members, predicated on the belief that that's a necessary behavioral function of the community in order to keep the community 'pure'.
Hacker News, at least from my perspective, is built with a design philosophy that is 'aware' of it's value system. The mere fact that you can scroll through all the comments in one list, this is the hacker mentality. It keeps information opened in various ways to be examined by the user, and that's what hackers do. They say "look, isn't this neat? do you want to see how neat it is the way I do" - and then they give you the thing to tinker with, and let you tinker with it. There's no heavy opinion involved, there's no extreme stratification between paradigms and people, there's no need to completely close yourself off from thinking about things differently, because you just move on from one thing to tinker with, and then you move on to the next when you want to learn more. Articles do get posted that are "Do this, NOT that!" but there's typically a dialogue that goes beyond that and is connective, rather than cyclical in a fundamentally socially disconnected way.
Honestly if people don't see themselves in the format HN presents I think they will get bored. I'd rather bore people with technical specs than adopt sociopathic traits and adhere to ideas like 'it's okay to be evil if that's what they are going to do'.
There's stuff that becomes cyclical and there's stuff that cuts the problem off at the head. It's easy to get in a routine where one sees that pattern everywhere automatically. That's an artifact of the past. But if you set yourself on auto-pilot, eventually you set yourself up for engaging in 'future prediction'. And you might find yourself treating others in a particular way, that is completely disengaged from the actual reality of reality - each conversation. The map is not the territory, and so on.