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Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

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Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

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The cumulative loss to CVS's and Walgreens's market caps has been about $12b. If Amazon had wanted to, they likely could have made more from the destruction of value to those companies than they paid to buy PillPack. I wonder what other industries out there can be arbitraged like this. I bet Amazon could shave well over $10b of market cap off of BKNG if they made the right strategic investment.

IANAL but I suspect it is actually legal for Amazon to short CVS+Walgreen in this case: Don't "inside information" trading laws apply only to the specific company about which information is available?

Even though insider trading laws can be quite nuanced, this is 100% legal.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#202

Meanwhile, CVS + Walgreens lost $6B in market cap on the news Amazon is moving directly into pharmacy space. It's crazy how competitive Wall Street views Amazon moving into a market; have there been examples of Amazon making a large purchase/move but completely failing? (sure there are, just not coming me off the top of my head)

Seems like in any market where Amazon can reasonably compete with a brick & mortar, Amazon will win... Consider how expensive real estate is these days, especially in urban areas (and how much "millennials" like delivery). It's a solid formula.

It's not just millenials in this case. I am an GenX-er with a wife and two kids. We are planning to switch to a mail order pharmacy (Pill Pack or Costco -- dependent on cost) in the near future. My wife, one of our daughters, and our dog (on a human med) taking regular meds. Even being a 5 minute drive from a brick and mortar pharmacy, and it is still a PIA. None of the scripts are on the same schedule so we make multiple trips. Inevitably, you get in line behind someone with a refill or insurance issue turning a quick pick into a 20 minute wait. A service that syncs up script refill schedules and works with doctors and insurance companies on refills renewals is a massive time saver and stress reducer.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#203
I used a mail order prescription service for a while (ExpressScripts). It was awful. They routinely lost, failed to ship, or double-shipped packages, and I got multiple bottles of pills that had expired due to being left in the heat. I, personally, will never trust mail order prescriptions again.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#204
ah the power of extracting money from health insurance

if people were paying out of pocket these kinds of markup could not survive

fun fact: thanks to lobbyists and congress, it is illegal under federal law for a pharmacist to voluntarily tell you it cheaper to pay cash than use your insurance co-pay, you have to know to ask

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#205
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just as a data point, I don't believe I've gotten a fake from Amazon. You almost certainly have, though you may not be able to tell the difference if you don't actively look for it.

> You almost certainly have, though you may not be able to tell the difference if you don't actively look for it. The gp merely asked for anecdotal data, nothing rigorous. By disagreeing, you are indirectly implying that the commenter is somehow incapable of telling fakes from the real deal. How does anyone reliably tell fakes apart?

In my experience, it's been because the fake one breaks down in just a few days and I end up ordering a new one, after which point I notice the important differences between the two :(

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#206

I used a mail order prescription service for a while (ExpressScripts). It was awful. They routinely lost, failed to ship, or double-shipped packages, and I got multiple bottles of pills that had expired due to being left in the heat. I, personally, will never trust mail order prescriptions again.

You're judging all the category by the performance of a single provider. I understand that, but I wouldn't discard the helpfulness of this concept just by your experience with one vendor. That's like not driving a car anymore because you had a bad experience with a particular brand.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#207

This is interesting because Amazon isn't exactly known for supply chain integrity. Who here hasn't received fakes from Amazon? If you rely on a specific medication for your health, is Amazon a brand you trust to deliver it? How long until they start commingling pills and shipping random counterfeit/fake product to users? Hope it never happens but if they do with pharmaceuticals what they did with everything else they…

I understand the fear, but I don't think fake medicine is as big of an issue as fake market place items. PillPack already has an established distribution network and prescription delivery licensing in 50 states. I don't know for certain, but I would assume that fake prescription medicine is a much bigger risk and would threaten the operation more than, say, fake batteries.

It doesn't have to be fake to cause harm, at least for epilepsy. The filler in the pills can vary by manufacturer.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#208

i see a lot of comments here of people worrying about counterfeit pills distributed on Amazon. A counterfeit drug in USA is a ticket straight to jail, but a counterfeit mug or yoga mat isn't such a big deal. I wouldn't worry about it so much especially because it's not an open marketplace since Amazon will use Pillback as the distributor

I think what we will see is AmazonBasics Aspirin and stuff like that. They are usually not fake.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

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post #131
post #110

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> for the millions of us taking one pill every night, e.g the "pillpack" is wasteful. Does the pillpack have a separate pack for each day with the date clearly labeled? If so I feel that would help a lot with adherence, which in my opinion is a serious problem

It does. The only problem is getting more granular - if you have a medication that is administered throughout a day, you'll have to handle that yourself.

That's not exactly true, if you take medications at different times during the day you'll have multiple packs for a single day marked with the time of day.

Re: Amazon buys PillPack, an online pharmacy, for just under $1B

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when the eclipse was happening and they actually did a pretty good job of removing all glasses which weren't safe? They also recalled a number of good units, which only sowed confusion and anger among buyers. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/08/14/a... And it turns out some of the counterfeit glasses did get out to to buyers who thought they were purchasing legitimate units. https://www.r…

I tried doing a limited google search for any news about that story that occurred since November of last year and got 0 hits. Did the case die or is it that the media just doesn't care enough for there to be a single update to the story?

Probably have to check court records to see if it's still open or closed and what happened.
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