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Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

#201

London Trust Media recently hired Mt. Gox (yes that Mt. Gox) ex-CEO Mark Karpeles as CTO. https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/22/mt-gox-chief-returns-as-...

The co-founder of LTM was head of North America operations at Mt. Gox as well, read the first quote: https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/04/19/disgraced-ceo-of-mt-gox-a...

And they run Private Internet Access VPN:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Internet_Access

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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We should be pleased that someone actually wants to move irc forward and invest in it. I first discovered IRC in 1995 hanging out on #hackerzlair and later various Linux channels on EFnet. Without the countless hours on irssi inside GNU screen (yes, there was something before tmux!) I wouldn’t be where I am today in my career. That said, we need to keep it distributed as much as possible; too few owners could be poisonous.

To my last point, I could easily see a second revival of irc using IPFS as the transport layer. Same feeling of community and privacy in a text terminal, but no central nodes.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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> server-side storage of history You can do that with a bouncer. Slack and Discord are essentially a chat server with an integrated bouncer. > mobile-friendly data usage How is IRC not mobile-friendly? It only transports the raw text, not even "X is writing a message" notifications. > first class support for emoji Most clients support UTF-8, isn't it only a matter of fonts?

Though setting up an IRC bouncer is not exactly a trivial task. (It's one of the things on my summer to-do list.)

znc is apt install ... And a few edits in a config file.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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Long live IRC There will always be new platforms like slack, discord, gitter, and whatever. IRC was and still is great. IRC is simple, its text, its stable. Its simple to program on and a lot can be done above it. IRC is open. The basis of old internet protocols are simple, open and powerful Email, IRC, HTML, FTP And as the article points out, irc has no face. IRC was a time people had to ask for a picture. Different…

Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water.

Newer is not necessarily better.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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I resent that you resent "average people". I'm an average person (with 17 years of professional programming career behind me). I wouldn't give two craps about IRC in 2018. Yes, I really enjoy having a smooth cross-platform experience with inline media, public and private chat rooms, search, file transfers etc. without having to set anything up and without having to deal with half-baked poorly implemented clients who…

Back in the day, lots of 'normal people' used irc too. I like things with open standards, so that people can use the tools that work for them. Bob can use the Gmail web interface to send and receive email, and Sally can use gnus in Emacs to send and receive email on her own local server.

Only for Google to spam-hole anything sally sends...

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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A protocol existing is better than no protocol at all.

In the modern age of surveillance some protocols could be actively worse. Sad times, but IRC has no real place in the world of someone hoping to preserve their privacy.

Are you implying that discord, slack, et al have a better privacy model?

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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post #204

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Do you connect with a 1200 baud acoustic coupler modem or are you average person who uses a fibre connection and off-the-shelf router? Do you take a horse and cart to work or are you an average person who drives a car or catches the train? Do you mill your own bread, or are you an average person who eats machine milled and produced bread? Do you pump and sanitize your own water, or are you an average person who turns…

Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water. Newer is not necessarily better.

Aka a bouncer?

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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That's pretty tone-deaf. No matter what the guys qualities are that name is toxic.

Sure, but at the same time, someone who is unwilling to give second chances to the pioneers who took risks before them -- that's more toxic. I want this society to work. And I refuse to let such a chilling effect of fear of failure stop our society from progressing. We all know that you learn best from mistakes. And we, as a society, have gotten much stronger and more resilient.

People have a dislike for Mark not because he took risks but because he didn't let other people solve the problems they clearly had, which is dangerous. The reason there are so many conspiracy theories about him is because he's made the line between stupid and malicious near impossible to differentiate.

Re: IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival

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That's pretty tone-deaf. No matter what the guys qualities are that name is toxic.

Sure, but at the same time, someone who is unwilling to give second chances to the pioneers who took risks before them -- that's more toxic. I want this society to work. And I refuse to let such a chilling effect of fear of failure stop our society from progressing. We all know that you learn best from mistakes. And we, as a society, have gotten much stronger and more resilient.

Sometimes 2nd chances involve starting at the bottom and bilding up.

This is skeevy.

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