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Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

Suicide is inherently a selfish act, and I think that’s where the perception of it being “wrong” comes from. Sure you have the right to decide your own fate, but you should consider that you affect other people. In taking your own life you’re also fucking up the life of everyone who cares about you, forcing them into a state of grief and possibly causing them to blame themselves for what was ultimately a selfish act…

Suicide isn't anymore selfish than wanting someone to continue living so I can feel better. How do you balance the pure inner torment of a suicidal person against the surmountable grief of those they left behind, multiplied by their number? There is no objective balance.

I don't blame anyone who chooses suicide. Who am I to tell them to "man up" and deal with the torment? But I think we should do everything in our power to make staying a viable option.

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> "That was a shock when I woke up this morning: Anthony Bourdain is dead! I enjoyed his show, he was quite a character."

It seems like Trump is incapable of saying anything with heartfelt sincerity.

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That’s one point I have personally experienced. I’ve faced the reality of 30-31 migraines per 31 days a month. Luckily medical treatment is helping cut that number back significantly (though every day is a careful balance). But those medical treatments have been around less than 10 years. There’s even a class of headache, cluster headaches, which are also known as suicide headaches. Not every chronic pain can be dial…

Psilocybin has been showing remarkable results at treating Cluster Headaches, you might be interested in reading the relevant literature if you haven't already.

Yes I have. I’ll vote for politicians who support rational substance controls. But I can’t go near that stuff until it’s legal.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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The obituary I wrote on Facebook when I found out...

"'Fuck you,' he says. 'You don't even cook. You're not one of us anymore.' Far from being offended (although I am hurt), I want to give him a big hug. Another drink or two and I just might.

I don't cook. I'm not a chef. The chefs and cooks who are better than I used to be - better than I ever was - know this and don't need to say it. They certainly don't need to say it to my face, like this kid, pressing me up against the bar now with the force of his rage and hurt. He will channel those feelings, appropriately, into a demand that I do a shot of tequila with him. Or two.

Which is a relatively friendly and diplomatic solution to an awkward situation."

- Anthony Bourdain, "Medium Raw" (I opened to a random page)

Another great artist lost to suicide. Anthony Bourdain reinvented food writing with his book "Kitchen Confidential", injecting a brutal honesty and punk rock ethos into the stuffy world of restaurant reviews and travelogues. He continued writing with more terrific work like "Medium Raw" and "Nasty Bits". It's not just that his writing was full of practical advice for diners (never eat fish on mondays, never eat mussels, bread is recycled, etc)... it's that he was brutally honest about himself, about his struggles with depression and drug addiction. If you read his books, his suicide should come as no surprise.

He went on to reinvent food television with "No Reservations", a travelogue show that celebrated highbrow and lowbrow in equal measure, that put third world street food vendors in the same breath with Michelin-starred chefs, that ate the weird stuff not because it was weird, but because it was a new experience. From there, he went to "Parts Unknown" on CNN, elevating his work's already broad international beat to a more explicitly political level, visiting little-known and often dangerous places such as Libya and Myanmar, celebrating the joy and creativity people took in their food, even in the poorest, most oppressed places on Earth. He was a cultural ambassador for all of humanity, the likes of which had never been seen before.

And then there was that time that !Kung bushmen in Namibia punked him into eating a warthog's asshole by convincing him that it was their finest and most exclusive culinary delicacy. And then laughed their asses off at him. And he ran that on tv.

I'm going to miss him so much.

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I myself would rather focus the discussion on why people want to kill themselves in the first place and not divulge into a convo about whether not mommy government should or should not allow us to have guns.

Putting an important decision such as ending ones life behind a single point-and-click action is really bad UX. There should at least be a number of "Are you sure?" prompts and two factor authentication as a bare minimum.

I agree with proper confirmation and 2FA requirements. But the really bad UX is that it's OPT-OUT instead of OPT-IN. If you're going to force users into your system and insist on opt-out then you should at least have the decency to make the opt-out process as convenient and painless as possible.

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The CNN article about his death had this: >Suicide is a growing problem in the United States. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published a survey Thursday showing suicide rates increased by 25% across the United States over nearly two decades ending in 2016. I remember a while back that the general public's tone on suicide was a lot less sober. More of a "man up" sort of attitude. With a growing list…

> Depression has nothing to do with how "good" your life is on paper.

Says who? Maybe if we put everything on that paper the scale would visibly tip but it may be the case that if we could perceive those things as they are such that they could be written down it would exclude the problem's sticking power.

By the way we should also confirm it was really depression.

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> why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? There is a very strong relationship between suicide and mental illness. If someone decides to end their own life, it is overwhelmingly likely that they are suffering from some form of mental illness. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12701661 >Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Most people who survive a suicide attemp…

agreed! Is mental illness a cause or a result of treatment for "depression?" Being sad and unhappy is natural... does medication create the illness?

> Being sad and unhappy is natural...

And is not an accurate description of depression.

If you think depressed people are just sad/unhappy - please read more on this debilitating disorder.

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>> There is a very strong relationship between suicide and mental illness. Suicide is a symptom of some types of mental illness. But perfectly sane people can still kill themselves. If one wants to prevent suicide one has to accept that fact. We cannot prevent suicides if we look only to people with some sort of observable mental illness. Normal everyday people, some in the prime of life, can and do occasionally deci…

>We cannot prevent suicides if we look only to people with some sort of observable mental illness. Normal everyday people, some in the prime of life, can and do occasionally decide to kill themselves. A great many of those normal everyday people are suffering from mental health problems. The data suggests that as many as 60% of people with a serious mental health condition are not receiving treatment. A multitude of…

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>, I can only hope that people as a whole start seeing it as a complex issue and the stigma of mental issues and stress can lessen so that people can get help Possibly inappropriate - but why do people immediately link suicide and mental illness? Why do we stand in judgement declaring it wrong to decide ones own fate? Am I not the master of my own existence and do I not have the right to make a decision on it without…

Here is at least one data point regarding a suicide that was probably not mentally ill: http://martin-manley.eprci.com - It's a fascinating story and first-hand account.

Re: Anthony Bourdain has died

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this really hurt me, I'm usually not as affected by "high-profile suicides." There's some terrible correlations beginning to surface, in my mind, with the psychiatric drugs taken by Robin Williams, Kate Spade, Chester Bennington, and Tim Bergling for example that seem to be the final push-over-the-edge for these folks - whose lives are full of options and [appear] far from hopeless. Surely we can't judge how things r…

This comment betrays a remarkable ignorance of mental illness. There is, in fact, a link between the commencement of a course of antidepressants and suicide, but to claim that "...mental illness is created as a result of these Big Pharma medicines" is to ignore a tremendous body of research. Out of curiosity, how do you feel about vaccines?

it's a statement of opinion- "It seems, to me"

Happy to explore this with you further. What exactly is the mental illness? How is it being identified, how is it being measured?

I'm against vaccines, as you presumed, as I've personally seen resulting correlations to increased occurrence of Autism, and [lesser] conditions of peanut allergies and gluten intolerance. There may be elements in vaccines become unintentional casualty to the body being trained to reject what we are intending for it so classify as foreign, to fight. There's observable overall increases in these conditions from those who've been vaccinated. We haven't been able to isolate for these yet. I believe we haven't investigated enough. Or perhaps they're not related... but it's my hypothesis.

We don't have ENOUGH information to draw conclusions for MANY things, these observations are merely mine and are thus my opinions.

I recommend everyone does their own research and make their own decisions.

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