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Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia

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Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia

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Telegram isn't E2E encrypted by default. You need to choose an "encrypted" chat. They have been criticised over this for many years now.

Also desktop telegram client doesn't have e2e, only mobile one.

The macOS client supports end-to-end encryption.

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post #74

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> Fair enough - this is essentially my own question above - what pressure can be applied by Russia to Apple to prevent App Store UK getting updates? They can fine the company, ban import of Apple products into the country, block access to App Store, etc. Yes, that same agency. It doesn't even matter which regional section of App Store Telegram would use to publish app - users in need can switch between them and censo…

Can you really switch between stores? I think you would need UK credit card for that.

You can skip adding payment method: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204034

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post #169

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If Telegram released the source code, people could compile and install it on their own iOS devices.

Which they do, to some extent. They're in a weird limbo right now where they're pushing updates but not updating the publicly available source, which is something I find vaguely off-putting.

They also provide their own "build-your-own-Telegram-client"library, at least for Android.

I never though of that before but the current situation might be a very good reason for making that library available.

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post #41

From all the articles I have read about this Telegram seems to offer no evidence to supports its case. Further more it claims its only iOS, and not macOS. And I personally have gotten at least several updates for at least the mac version over the past month.

On a Mac you have the option of downloading and installing the app directly from the Internet rather than from the app store. On iOS you don't, so there is a clear difference.

My macOS Telegram updated, from the AppStore, 2018-05-31.

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post #171

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Well, here are a few sources (I think the first one might be where I originally read about it, and realized the situation there was worse than I knew): https://www.newyorker.com/culture/2017-in-review/the-year-ru... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/27/russia-chechny... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concentration_camps_in_Che... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/russia-rise-ho...

None of those in any way support your comment, whatsoever. And calling Chechnya Russia is similar to calling Peurto Rico the United States. It's a subject of Russia, but is not what you'd call Russia. It's a 95% Islamic nation that waged a lengthy war of terror attacks against Russia and has its own independent government, rules, and laws which are driven primarily by Islamic law. You'll find nations driven by Islami…

There is no Russia in Russian Federation at all, because original Russia (Rus`, Русь) renamed itself into Ukraine to avoid any associations with bloody Russian Empire.

So Chechnya is the same region of Russian Federation as any other region.

PS.

Look at folk culture, especially at folk songs. You will found that each region of Russian Federation has it own language for folk songs and none of them are in Russian language. It because Russian Empire was formed by clumping together nations and bolting Russian language at top of them by forbidding all native languages. (It's why Russian Empire was called as Jail of Nations).

In contrast, there is 15 thousands of folk songs recorded in Ukrainian(Rus`) language (200 thousands if variants are counted).

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post #116

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This is why we must eradicate proprietary software from our general purpose computers, because computers are the single most powerful weapon we have for freedom and self-improvement. It doesn't matter too much if your videogame console is closed source, but it matters a lot if the software you use to read books, to write, to communicate with people is closed source. Apple isn't going to do it, Google isn't going to d…

Well, 100% conversion of the entire world to open-source software would indeed solve the issue I describe. But, I have only 57 more years to live[1], and I don't think I will likely see that happen in my remaining time on earth. Another way to prevent this issue is simply to have open computing platforms without significant barriers to running arbitrary software, and without any gatekeeper that can prevent them. This…

But we still have model — Apple isn’t a monopoly in any way.

Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia

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post #165

Apple has now entered dangerous territory. Over the last month they seem to have banned apps because some government out there didn't like that app. To make matters worse, those very same governments weren't happy with the app being removed from their regional app store but they demanded it removed from all app stores. The VPN issue was a wake up call for a lot of developers. These apps were on the app store for year…

>> Worse, VCs are now getting nervous in investing in startups where the app is the fundamental foundation of the business. Betting on startup whose business solely depends on a mercy of someone else's platform is a bad idea to begin with.

Thats the reality now. Many companies are based entirely on mobile apps. How would a service like uber work without relying on Android/iOS

Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia

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This is presently an accusation by Telegram, nothing more. Sample of reasons why Apple may be doing whatever they are doing: 1) Telegram is prevalently used by Syrian fighters [1]. (Why they chose Telegram over Signal beats me.) As the Syrian conflict winds down, these fighters are returning home. That creates a security imperative for many governments, including in the EU. 2) Telegram recently ran an ICO that, at th…

"Telegram recently ran an ICO that, at the very least, probably runs afoul of American securities law.” Their ICO is absolutely compliant with the securities laws. There wasn’t a sign of general solicitation and the investors were required to be accredited.

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post #33
post #11

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Installing apps outside an app store also introduces other risks, it's not exactly one better than the other. Personally I'd love to sideload apps, but seeing how big of a mess that was on desktops leads me to believe most users are better served by a gatekeeper.

> most users are better served by a gatekeeper. I think the point is that Android's marketplace functions as a gate keeper. Apple's marketplace functions as a prison warden . The difference is whether you on the inside are allowed to make exceptions for who can come through, or even pass through yourself. If you have no control, what you've been told is a protective wall is actually restraining wall. That said, as to…

And then people install pirated .apk making iOS the most profitable mobile platform for developers as they prefer to focus on iOS, especially regarding expensive apps.

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post #73
post #11

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Installing apps outside an app store also introduces other risks, it's not exactly one better than the other. Personally I'd love to sideload apps, but seeing how big of a mess that was on desktops leads me to believe most users are better served by a gatekeeper.

> most users are better served by a gatekeeper If you believe that's the case the bigger problem is the lack of education that leads to some people who are incapable of understanding the risks associated with doing so and not that they have access to do so.

Yes, let’s just educate everyone instead of bulding a better system in the first place.
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