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U.S. Launches Criminal Probe into Bitcoin Price Manipulation

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Tumbling is plagued by a horrible tragedy of the commons problem: the more tainted your coins are, the more you want to tumble them. People who legitimately acquired their bitcoins don't need to tumble them, so chances are you are just getting other tainted coins in return. People seem to think that coins are 'clean' after tumbling, but I think its much more likely that you'll get back more suspicious coins: superlat…

Isn't the whole goal of tumbling to provide plausible deniability? The goal is to avoid tying the coins earned or used in an illicit activity with the the people involved in those activities. If a drug dealer gets an assassin's coins and vice versa then the goal is still accomplished even though all the coins involved are tainted. The drug dealer's possession of the assassin's coins don't help in building a case agai…

True, but being in possession of coins tied to an assassination probably puts you at greater risk of being the subject of a federal investigation than being in possession of drug-related coins.

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#202
post #200

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Many of the ostensible characteristics of Bitcoin you've provided also apply to special-edition 1990s Marvel comics. The idea that a good needs to be "divisible" to be valuable is nowhere supported by evidence and easily rebutted by counterexample. Your argument is essentially handwaving: all sorts of terrible investments are "great for people with low time preference", in that they will have no value in the immediac…

How could Gresham's Law apply to Bitcoin if it were not divisible? Or are you suggesting that comic books could be considered money (one property of which is divisibility) to the same degree as Bitcoin? Hopefully we agree that divisibility is not an "ostensible" characteristic of Bitcoin, but a "factual" characteristic of it? Also your tendency to define things in binary terms (liquid/illiquid, value/no value) is tro…

I'm not "pretending" anything. I think the difference is illusory, except for the fact that you can actually read the comic book, so it has some marginal real utility.

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Man I wish I could understand only 5% of the economics behind this. It seems so interesting.

Economics? Bitcoin has no intrinsic value and it's propped up by speculation. It's ridiculous.

Nothing has intrinsic value.

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Economics? Bitcoin has no intrinsic value and it's propped up by speculation. It's ridiculous.

Nothing has intrinsic value.

Food? It certainly has some kind of value that dollar bills, gold, and bitcoin don't. You may not like the word "intrinsic", but it's still in the right direction.

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For anyone who hasn't been following, the prevailing theory is that the largest Cryptocoin exchange "Bitfinex" also runs an altcoin called "Teather" which was marketed as being backed 1:1 by USD. So far they've created 2.8 BILLION USDT and coincidently the times they create millions of these happens to be in the middle of extreme market crashes. See this chart: https://i.imgur.com/Uo07d1d.jpg More details here: https…

Tether, not "teather." As in, tethered to USD (nominally).

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post #5

For anyone who hasn't been following, the prevailing theory is that the largest Cryptocoin exchange "Bitfinex" also runs an altcoin called "Teather" which was marketed as being backed 1:1 by USD. So far they've created 2.8 BILLION USDT and coincidently the times they create millions of these happens to be in the middle of extreme market crashes. See this chart: https://i.imgur.com/Uo07d1d.jpg More details here: https…

If there was a problem redeeming Tether for USD, you'd expect that the market price distortion of Tether. But it hasn't[1] https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=POLONIEX:USDTUSD >they've created 2.8 BILLION USDT Absolute numbers are meaningless and less eye catching when they're compared to the entire market. 2.8 ~ ~ Billion ~ ~ USDT is only 0.5%-0.8% of the market. Do you really think that a 300-500 billion doll…

Fractional reserve BANKING is when a bank keeps a fraction of its deposits on hand while the rest is being INVESTED so that they can earn money to pay you interest. The money exists, but most of it is tied up in long-term investments.

Is Tether a bank? Does it invest its reserves? If you answered no to either of those questions, then you have no business comparing it to a fractional reserve banking system.

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They mint Tether during market crashes because that's when there is the highest volume on USDT pairs, and when Tether needs to create tokens to maintain the exchange rate around $1. Have you read their whitepaper? Further, there is more proof that Tether has the funding to back up the USDT than proof that Tether does not have the funds: https://blog.bitmex.com/tether/ https://blog.bitmex.com/tether-addendum-new-finan…

> there is more proof that Tether has the funding to back up the USDT than proof that Tether does not have the funds There is no way Bitfinex has $2.2 billion in bank accounts. If a bank handles U.S. dollars, they are under U.S. jurisdiction. Bitfinex cannot show who own Tether; that makes beneficial ownership tracing, rules surrounding which became stronger twelve days ago, impossible. Had they picked any other curr…

I think the supposed trick is that they are not in bank accounts.

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#208
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decentralized commodity This is a misconception about cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin or Ethereum. Both are highly centeralized, in the hands of a tiny oligarchical ownership along with a small group of mining warehouses. https://news.earn.com/quantifying-decentralization-e39db233c...

Decentralization does not mean owned by everybody, it means owned by nobody. For instance imagine we had a mine that was effectively infinitely large (for the sake of the analogy). If we allowed absolutely anybody with a pickaxe to to come in and mine it, we might call it decentralized. Nobody would own the mine. That one group sent a million miners to go mine it would not suddenly make them owners, even if they happ…

Ethereum and Bitcoin mining work like this:

Take a freshly baked pie, and give half of it away for a suggested donation of $1 USD to the first 10 people who show up.

Now split the last half of the pie into smaller chunks and slowly give out bread crumbs to new "miners" with the requirement they spend large amounts of capital on exceedingly inefficient number guessing machines in order to win the lottery of "mining" more crumbs.

  Satoshi Nakamoto
  Thu Jan 8 14:27:40 EST 2009
  I made the proof-of-work difficulty ridiculously easy to 
  start with, so for a little while in the beginning a 
  typical PC will be able to generate coins in just a few 
  hours. It'll get a lot harder when competition makes the 
  automatic adjustment drive up the difficulty.

  first 4 years: 10,500,000 coins
  next 4 years: 5,250,000 coins
  next 4 years: 2,625,000 coins
  next 4 years: 1,312,500 coins
The 10,000 BTC pizza is a case study in how Satoshi designed the supply to rapidly dump very cheaply before other users were able to discover the network, by that time and later new users not only need to spend more to mine but less coins are produced for a correct lottery number.

  In economics, the Gini coefficient is the standard measure 
  of how inequitable a society is. This is tricky to 
  determine for Bitcoin, as it's not quiet a "society" in 
  the Gini sense, one person may have multiple addresses and 
  many addresses have been used only once or a few times. 
  (The commonly-cited figure of 0.88 is based on one small 
  exchange in 2011.) However, a Citigroup analysis from 
  early 2014 notes: "47 individuals hold about 30 percent, 
  another 900 a further 20 percent, the next 10,000 about 
  25% and another million about 20%"; and distribution 
  "looks much like the distribution of wealth in North Korea 
  and makes China's and even the US' wealth distribution 
  look like that of a workers' paradise

  Dorit Ron and Adi Shamir found in a 2012 study that only 
  22% of then-existing Bitcoins were in circulation at all, 
  there were a total of 75 active users or businesses with 
  any kind of volume, one (unidentified) user owned a 
  quarter of all Bitcoins in existence, and one large owner 
  was trying to hide their pile by moving it around in 
  thousands of smaller transactions. (Shamir is one of the 
  most renowned cryptographers in the world and the "S" in 
  "RSA encryption")"



Ethereum:

  Presale ICO / Premine ( max cost $0.50 USD per ETH  )
  = 72,009,990 ETH
  
  Total Supply today (Feb 23rd 2018)
   = 97,800,000 ETH

  Source:
  https://etherscan.io/stat/supply

Re: U.S. Launches Criminal Probe into Bitcoin Price Manipulation

#209
post #120

The mechanics of manipulating price are just too easy not to do it. The wash trading is clearly so bad on many exchanges that I bet there are agreements with the miners to recuperate losses to trading fees. It is in all parties interest to prop the price up this way so why wouldn't they do it. So many sketchy things get ignored because they prop the price up. The USDT situation will get interesting eventually. Somebo…

Huh, that's interesting. So when it says "USD Volume 700mm" does that mean 700MM was actually exchanged from BTC to USD or vice versa? Does a pair of trades USD-BTC-USD count double?

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#210
post #5

For anyone who hasn't been following, the prevailing theory is that the largest Cryptocoin exchange "Bitfinex" also runs an altcoin called "Teather" which was marketed as being backed 1:1 by USD. So far they've created 2.8 BILLION USDT and coincidently the times they create millions of these happens to be in the middle of extreme market crashes. See this chart: https://i.imgur.com/Uo07d1d.jpg More details here: https…

What is the author of the first article attempting to show by including "An actual picture of the area where this account is registered"? That just feels irrelevant.
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