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Re: Make front end shit again

#201

I love the point the site is trying to make but I'm confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node/npm/yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file. Shouldn't this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?

They needed to polyfill blink.

Re: Make front end shit again

#202

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well with javascript itself maturing, many are starting to believe jquery is no longer needed. Plus, it was the first real framework back in the day. When I think old internet, I think pre-jquery, but I guess I am getting old. We still use jquery at work...

A lot of people still use jquery at work. Regardless of improvements in javascript for DOM manipulation, Jquery is not just about that.

Thanks, that makes me feel a lot better!

Re: Make front end shit again

#203
post #160

A few months ago I created a project called Hypertext Town, a simple project where anybody can create "camps" (a collection of HTML, images etc.) and connect them together through "towns". A town lives at a subdomain (e.g: town.hypertext.town) and a camp lives at /~camp (e.g: town.hypertext.town/~camp). I never "launched" it so it's just been languishing in obscurity on the www but if anybody wants to make cute littl…

You reinvented webrings.

Sounds more like geocities.

Considering how much google search results dictate whether you come across information or not though, I wonder if webrings could make a lot of the web more visible these days?

Re: Make front end shit again

#204

I love the point the site is trying to make but I'm confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node/npm/yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file. Shouldn't this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?

I think your missing the point that it is not about how web sites are built but about the content.

Re: Make front end shit again

#205

I love the point the site is trying to make but I'm confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node/npm/yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file. Shouldn't this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?

I keep seeing this general attitude about frontend, but I have a serious question: What’s the better alternative? I’m not asking this rhetorically because I have an answer, I just keep seeing the same remarks with no decent solutions. Is it time for the way we deliver the web to be rethought? Are we really in the golden age of the frontend but everyone is being too much of a hipster to realize it? What’s the solution…

https://github.com/nucleic/enaml

We're just starting. IMO, if we started from a better language than JS, we would take stuff like data-binding in react for Granted, since it would be much easier to this stuff it in other languages.

Re: Make front end shit again

#206

I love the point the site is trying to make but I'm confused as to why this is built with a vue.js static site generator requiring node/npm/yarn and an almost 7,000 line yarn.lock file. Shouldn't this literally be a single page, hand-built HTML file with inline CSS? Is this trying to be self-ironic or something?

I'm fairly certain it isn't making a point at all. It's just a troll site.

"MySpace" websites were not "Fun", and they weren't "fun" because they looked like shit, either. They looked like shit because the tools for people who couldn't be bothered to learn HTML were shit.

Now the tools are better. There is a specific word or phrase to describe the site we're discussing, but I lack that... it'd be like someone saying "Remember when cars were suicide cages? Let's get rid of seat belts and have FUN again!". I can't say anything nice about it.

Re: Make front end shit again

#207

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I keep seeing this general attitude about frontend, but I have a serious question: What’s the better alternative? I’m not asking this rhetorically because I have an answer, I just keep seeing the same remarks with no decent solutions. Is it time for the way we deliver the web to be rethought? Are we really in the golden age of the frontend but everyone is being too much of a hipster to realize it? What’s the solution…

I don't know, either, but it does seem that the latest crop of frontend libraries (React & friends) is optimizing for a very high level of richness that simply isn't needed for most sites. Which is fine, but where it gets worrisome is when that lofty level of complexity is the only thing people know how to use. I recently got to watch someone spend nearly a full week fiddling with building a React app for filling out…

I see a lot of frontend devs these days who remind me of the interview horror stories about enterprise C++ guys getting a question like "how would you pull 10,000 phone numbers in NNN-NNN-NNNN format from a gigantic HTML page?" and responding by laying out an architectural plan for a hulking >1kLoC monstrosity, because they'd never heard of (nor could they imagine) grep.

On the other hand, obscene overengineering is probably a good way to build a portfolio. Nobody will get hired for demonstrating that they can build an HTML form on a static page.

Re: Make front end shit again

#208

> We used to make websites because it was fun and at a point we lost the way I know this is just some little tongue in cheek joke, but I can't help but vehemently disagree with this. Never did we only make websites just "because it was fun" any more or less than we do now.

I made websites "because it was fun". To begin with I didn't even have hosting so it just lived on my harddisk. Even when it went online I couldn't even think of content to put on there, it was just cool linking pages together and stuff.

Re: Make front end shit again

#209

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I wonder if there's some way to simulate the row by row image loading. I guess that's not the point of this website, but that would make me feel nostalgic.

Don't forget progressive JPGs, which loads the entire height of the image over and over with gradually increasing detail.

There was also LOWSRC, which is long gone nowadays https://html.com/attributes/img-lowsrc/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92453

Re: Make front end shit again

#210
post #62

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You totally don't have to do any of this to make this page work, I'm pretty sure all that js code is completely unnecessary...

Is it possible she is of a generation that really has no experience coding a website by hand using no frameworks or any fancy code?

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

- Socrates

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