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I wandered off and built an IDE

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Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, as a developer, it's soul-wrenching and just feels wrong to try to sell something before something proper has even been made. This has been my biggest struggle.

I think it's worth pointing out that in order to "sell" to investors (as opposed to customers), having the product (and the customers!) ready actually is very important. So the proper sequence is: 1. Sell. 2. Build. 3. Pitch to investors. 4. Repeat with more resources. Inexperienced non-technical founders sometimes get the steps 1-3 backwards.

reconciling creativity with the market is a really longstanding problem in lots of areas. so I'm really interested in discussion that leads to any insight.

I'm curious about 1 before 2. Any attempt I've made in the past to understand market interest without having something that people can actually touch has always been really squishy. People aren't that interested to talk, when you do they always say something like 'well, sure, I guess that sounds interesting'. People that seem really interested usually don't have enough bandwidth for a beta product evaluation, even though they will say they are really excited and want to help. Often, product uptake comes from an unexpected direction/vertical, just by accident.

So while in principle getting customer-based design information up front is ideal, in practice it seems like you don't get that much no matter how much you try.

Maybe you're suggesting iterating on 1 and 2 until you feel like you have a solid case for 3?

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you ever worried about Microsoft a feature that acts similar in a future version of Excel? It's a problem that has bit others before (Firebug, Growl, tabbed-browsing extensions for IE).

I wouldn't be. The energy is in O365 at the moment, isn't it? VBA is the big programming environment at the moment and it's basically VB6 and hasn't been touched in a long time. There's also that JavaScript thing, which I think is still pretty half-baked.

The JavaScript office API looks like a good solution for integrating your UI within the app. It’s still quite limited in terms of heavier capabilities, eg data processing etc. That’s probably because right now MS is focused more on a shared plugin API for all office products than on deep integration of any one specific product.

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#204

“You might be surprised to learn that in a developer’s life, there aren’t all that many chances to impress girls with your coding skills.” Ha ha. When my wife and I were new she asked to use my laptop and was surprised that it “had no icons”. (No window system). So I started to show her how to avoid using a GUI. 12 years later she uses a terminal about half of her time as a stock administrator.

My wife is the only non-dev, family or friend, male or female, who I ever convinced to switch to Linux from Windows/Mac and who actually loved it and stuck with it despite me being a major Linux evangelist for about 10 years. Coincidence? (Although sadly I've now caved and use Mac and she's on a Chromebook. Fucking kids have ruined us!)

Could I ask what she uses, what you showed her, what she loves about it? I haven't had any success myself and would love to hear more about yours

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#205

I hope Microsoft gives you a ton of money and hires you to make Excel like this. VBA is so crap. And this looks amazing.

Yea, reading his description of the Excel data problems his girlfriend had hit very close to home. A large swath of my current job responsibilities often involve automating these type of data aggregations so that non-technical users can do them. Often, this leads me to coding the entire task in VBA so that they can do it with the push of a button within the workbook they are using. At this point I have entire libraries that I have made which I routinely use to accomplish this, but it always feels so dirty and inefficient (see: VBA).

In my experience, non-technical users don't want an outside application. They don't want to set up a database. They just want to open Excel, the program they are comfortable with, hit a button, and have their data aggregated. This tool is really cool.

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#206
Posted seven times before:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13114421 (64 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15670030 (34 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11583488 (111 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10991747 (1 comment)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9783022 (64 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9359128 (10 comments)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9399119 (6 comments)

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#208
Kudos on the IDE, kudos on helping your girlfriend, but it could have done without the "I'll solve all the problems with technology and then she'll see me as the hero I am" schtick. It made it kind of an uncomfortable read, even though you did clearly build something with a use case, which is always admirable.

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#209

“You might be surprised to learn that in a developer’s life, there aren’t all that many chances to impress girls with your coding skills.” Ha ha. When my wife and I were new she asked to use my laptop and was surprised that it “had no icons”. (No window system). So I started to show her how to avoid using a GUI. 12 years later she uses a terminal about half of her time as a stock administrator.

You must see the faces of everyone when using my computer (is more effective this way!) they discover it can move the mouse cursor between MONITORS!

(I have 2. A TV and Screen. Somehow not connect that both are monitors...)

The face of disbelieve is amazing. It impress the girls everytime. Is super-effective!

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A better anecdote was when I was in an incubator years ago. I was located in front of the main big-glass entrance. My monitor face it, so everyone that get in see what I was doing.

And suddenly a dozen or more of kids get in in the exact moment when I was moving some screens around the monitors...

WHOAAAA!!!

Everyone say!

Re: I wandered off and built an IDE

#210

Posted seven times before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13114421 (64 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15670030 (34 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11583488 (111 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10991747 (1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9783022 (64 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9359128 (10 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id…

Looks like this attempt is the winner!
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