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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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More than a decade ago Mark Zuckerberg said that anyone who gave him a photo of themselves was a "dumb fuck". His entire plan this whole time has been to do exactly this kind of thing (edit: because he thinks it is profit-maximizing), and he thinks you're a dumb fuck (just like me) for uploading your photo to let him use in the maximum-scary-surveillance way. We should all just get off Facebook. The problem is that y…

This is why I think the 'right to be forgotten' legislation might actually be a GOOD thing. Sure, it's some extra work when designing a new system, and lots of legacy systems require expensive rework, and a few twats will abuse the right to have Google redact journalistic information about their personal misadventures from the public sphere. But it's still my private data, so I should have the right to forbid compani…

Yeah, if you think Facebook would EVER honour a system like that then I have many, many bridges in stock for you :)

To most people, flicking a bit from 0 to 1 is enough to convince them your data is "deleted", however, in the database, what people never see, is that it the column name is actually "hidden".

:)

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

Same here. For a while when going out with friends and someone wanted to take a group photo I asked if it was being uploaded to Facebook, and in that case I would get out of the camera sight, but then I realized any photo will end up on FB anyway because most people don't give a damn about their and others privacy, so today I don't allow anyone to take photos of myself in any situation, and ask them not to tag me at…

That's super clever. Kind of an EURion for people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I have the same reaction/aversion to having my photo taken, for the same reason, but I’ve largely thrown in the towel on this one. The sheer number of cameras out there I have no control of or even knowledge of, plus the constant struggle of having to explain to everyone with a camera phone why I don’t want them to post my picture, plus the growing number of services that upload to the cloud by default... this is an unwinnable battle.

I’ve decided I don’t care if Facebook has my picture. It’s not like they can do anything to me. I don’t use their service, and nothing that goes on on Facebook affects my life.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Do you spray paint all of the CCTVs on your daily route?

Do you always ask dumb questions? It's one thing to have CCTV active in places where you visit, quite another to have the social sharing lemmings plaster your face all over the web for all to see and datamine. What I want and what I get are not always the same things, but I'll do my level best to influence that which I can influence. Here, two older blogposts that may give you an idea of where I'm coming from: https:…

> For the downvoters and flaggers: do you really believe parent asked his question in good faith?

That's not implied by downvoting or flagging you for breaking the guidelines ("Do you always ask dumb questions?"). The thing to do with troll comments is flag, not feed.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I find that a little bit sad. Both of my parents have passed away (fairly young), and they were somewhat camera-shy when they were alive (not for the same reasons you are, but the result is the same). I have barely a handful of photos of them, and that's often a source of disappointment and sadness for me. I get that rampant data collection is unacceptable, and companies are terribly poor stewards of our personal dat…

Having to let go is a natural state.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

If they don't tell anybody who they recognized in the pictures, it should be fine since you will never know? They do a lot more analysis in the background that they never publish anyways

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Reply All made an episode on this: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/109-facebook-spying

The episode was really good and stated that Facebook has at least 55,000 data points on any given individual, and when you have that kind of metadata on someone, it seems like parsing voice data would be inefficient and expensive in comparison to inferring information from those data points.

This is why people should forget about attempting to block ads and start attempting to actively ruin the analytics.

I've started to click random links and garbage ads just to mess with the bulk collection of data. It probably won't make a dent, but hopefully it scews a few of those data points

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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If you "told me" to delete a picture that included you that I had taken in a public place, I would "tell you" no. If you politely asked, I would generally delete the picture, depending on whether or not there was a reason that I felt I wanted the picture and whether or not there was a way to reproduce the picture without you in it. For example, if Bigfoot had run through the frame while I was taking the picture, I'd…

If you took a picture with me accidentally in the frame that would be one thing, and I could not care less about it. If you purposefully made a picture of me and refused to delete it things could get interesting.

I'm curious what you mean by "get interesting"? What would you do in such a situation?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I got nearly the same notification, except mine defaulted to off, it said "This setting is off, but you can turn it on any time". My guess is that they based the setting on another setting. For example there was some photo tagging thing added years ago, and I disabled that. Most of my timeline and tagging settings are set to Custom or require review.

Just adding my name to the rolls of people for whom the setting defaulted to "off." Facebook loves to A/B test these things, which you'd think people would applaud.

I think people are overly hard on Facebook honestly, such that they assume ill intent with everything including assuming it's just default on for everyone.

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