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Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

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Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#201

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because in the world we live in there are only two practical options; Android or iOS. Yes, you can do your homework and spend serious time customizing either one through the numerous amounts of gotchas to increase your privacy. At the end it boils down to "do you want Internet, email and maps that work in your phone? Good, deal with all this then!". If there was a single option that offered all of this at a reasonabl…

> If there was a single option that offered all of this at a reasonable price, you would see a lot of people moving to this. No, people would still go for the free product, killing the other option. If Google charges $1 per month for no tracking whatsoever, I'd bet that the vast, vast majority of the population wouldn't pay.

That's an open question that Google could solve by providing said option. One dollar a month for the complete suite of google tools with no tracking or ads whatsoever? Sign me up, right now. I pay 10x that amount to Spotify for a decent but less useful service. Hell, I'll go to $2/month.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

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They're an advertising company that gets most of its profits by collecting personal information about people and trying to manipulate them into buying things. Sounds pretty unethical to me.

Are billboards or radio stations or television channels unethical to you? Because they are also trying to "manipulate" you into buying things. Advertising is not inherently unethical. I want people to buy my product so I need to raise awareness of it, encourage people that it is the best, make them feel like they need it. I would even go so far as to say that Google's default anonymized model makes this far better. M…

How do you feel about jurisdictions which ban (or severely limit) outdoor advertising like billboards?

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#203

Waiting for the first person to post something along the lines of: 'And why shouldn't Google do $x? It's part of their fiduciary duty to their shareholders, and anyone who doesn't like it can opt to exercise their rights as a consumer and use another product. I personally love having $x as part of my life and feel it is indispensable. Haters gonna hate. (where $x could be 'bashing babies in the head with a clawhammer…

Not just their fiduciary duty: it makes the product better for end-users. Crowd-sourcing data on local businesses gives them a lot fresher and more granular state than they can get with an army of paid scouts.

There are apparently many, many 'end-users' who feel it does not make a better product for them, but thanks for being such a brazen apologist for shady practices.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#204
I guess I don't see these things on my phone because I'm cheap and rarely ever have data on.

But if I did, I wouldn't be shocked that a device with gps and internet access knows where I am and a company that makes money by people using it because it is useful would want to make their product more useful.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#205

How is this functionality different than an app asking you to review it after using it? The app “knows” your using it and prompts you to contribute to crowd sourced app reviews in the App Store. Apple likely knows what apps you have run unless you disable all diagnostics and lots of apps phone home. In this case, geo fencing is prompting you to review a location instead of an app. I think people rely on a lot more cr…

I've made it a policy that if an app pops up unsolicited modals to badger me about rating it, it automatically gets a 0-start review. That pattern needs to die in a fire.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#206

Waiting for the first person to post something along the lines of: 'And why shouldn't Google do $x? It's part of their fiduciary duty to their shareholders, and anyone who doesn't like it can opt to exercise their rights as a consumer and use another product. I personally love having $x as part of my life and feel it is indispensable. Haters gonna hate. (where $x could be 'bashing babies in the head with a clawhammer…

I’m the first to argue against the “fiduciary duty”, but don’t take the down votes as a badge of honor, but rather as an indicator that you propped up a straw man and proceeded to have your way with him. Nobody wants to see that.

Ah, the pointing out rhetorical devices used, rhetorical device. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#207

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They're an advertising company that gets most of its profits by collecting personal information about people and trying to manipulate them into buying things. Sounds pretty unethical to me.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is: They're an advertisement company that profits from showing you the most relevant data and things that you will like. It's all about perspective. You can take anything and spin it to be nefarious if you try hard enough.

If google's personalization efforts actually created the filter bubble that I want, more more and less less, it'd be a fair trade.

But they don't, so it isn't.

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

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Well I feel like it’s kind of easy to guess what they mean. I’m sure it’s related to spying and data hoarding and tracking and privacy issues and their incentives are highly misaligned and encourage unethical anti consumer behavior.

> spying [citation needed] > data hoarding Collecting data is "deeply unethical"? So then the census and hospital and anyone else who collects data are unethical too? > tracking You can disable location permission on everything. > privacy issues [citation needed] > their incentives are highly misaligned How is bringing you the most relevant data "misaligned"? That is their incentive as an ad company. Showing you thin…

[citation needed]

http://bfy.tw/G7Ox

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#209

Oh man this is what I hate the most about my Pixel. How can I turn it off?

Press and hold on the notification itself. Alternatively, press and hold on the notification and start to slide left/right (still holding) to reveal a gears icon. It should be a shortcut that takes you to the notification settings for that app with the option to toggle them on/off.

Thanks!

Re: Google, You Creepy Sonofabitch

#210
Serious question for the HN community - why do you leave your GPS on/activated by default? I have mine disabled unless I specifically need it for something, which is rare. Usually the only time I ever need GPS is for driving instructions. Otherwise, it's off. GPS is also the biggest battery hog on the device. Why would you leave this on? Do you all use it far more frequently or was it something you never thought to shut off? I can't think of one app I use that requires my location other than weather, in which case I just set the location(s) I want and can refresh at any time. But I generally get weather from a saved DuckDuckGo search - "[zipcode] weather" - stored as a bookmark and problem solved.

On a related note, Google has created a tool that allows you to see all the data they have on you (and delete it if you want). Because of the way I set up everything and my habits, they had virtually nothing on me. The only stuff I think were some chats from years and years ago and a few searches I did while not in incognito mode on my phone. I also don't use any of their apps from their main product suite - no search, email, chat, drive, etc. And I never leave myself logged in to my account on anything. I don't think this reduces my productivity or quality of life at all. In fact, quality of life is almost certainly improved.

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