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Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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Re: Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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> "Packet level" is a technical distinction, not an important one. It is a very important discussion, it should never happen and ISPs want to do it to have the ability to slow you down and throttle you. NN prevents packet level bias. Even if you still want to beat the Google is a monopoly drum, I don't totally disagree that some of their tactics are that level, this is just a distraction from NN and local ISP monopol…

Again, packet level bias isn't a big deal when there's a company that controls the whole freaking Internet. There's no "distraction" with Google, Google is the problem, and they're distracting you by saying "Look at these little companies who aren't that big a deal. They're evil! Focus on them!" Everything you are pitching is right out of their guidebook, Google has funded every net neutrality supporting organization…

If you had 0 or 1, 25Mbps-100Mbps option in your area is that sufficient?

Google obsession aside, could care less about what they do in regards to NN really though I am glad that they and most companies and people in the country support NN, the ISPs matter on this policy.

ISPs/broadband/telcos/providers really are the ONLY ones that don't want it, ask yourself WHY they want it removed so badly...against most people's demands. They say it changes nothing, I don't want SLOW lanes, unless they are massively increasing infrastructure they will be SLOWING you down and INSPECTING packets. This is anti-internet behavior. If Google was actually using their monopoly about it they would crush NN because they will be top in mind share either way. When Netflix, who was affected by NN, stopped supporting NN for a while people flipped. Same with Google, people would be pissed if Google didn't support NN, this comes from PEOPLE's demands [1][2].

Why all the ISP love? You got some massive trust in them to both mostly have a monopoly control and to be able to control traffic (including speeds/data caps) AND have all your private info for every single connection you make.

Do you think there is ANY local monopoly issue regarding ISPs? Do you think ISP competition is good enough in the US?

Do you see the difference in the level of control ISPs have over ALL your traffic while Google has to have you USE them?

I have acknowledged some issues with Google but you have yet to acknowledge anything regarding ISP abuse and questions regarding broadband availability where ISPs are failing the US (Google Fiber was an awesome competitive boost we needed), nor that most people want NN [1][2]. Yes, your Google obsession is a distraction from the main NN point, the only people that want NN are ISPs/broadband/telcos/providers.

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/06/new-mozilla-poll-am...

[2] https://morningconsult.com/2017/11/29/strong-support-net-neu...

Re: Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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post #85

Either you do net neutrality or you do all of the following: 1) Remove "franchises" from localities. 2) Simplify right of way provisions to allow new cable to be buried easily. 3) Companies with installed poles must allow fiber to be run across them. (If they don't like that, go underground) 4) ISP's must tell consumers in plain english what restrictions exist on their service. Bandwidth caps. Throttled or Blocked po…

None of these have any power to mitigate the risks net neutrality is supposed to tackle, namely providers using their customer base to squeeze third parties that wish to reach them.

If you make the ISP market a truly competitive market then the market will come to a natural equilibrium, hopefully addressing those concerns. But as long as ISPs hold artificial monopolies in localities, it is anything but a free market.

Re: Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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How dare they kick out the guy that's so anti-gay marriage, he donated money to that "cause".

Do you want a world in which you're kicked out of your job because of the politics you support? It's antithetical to a society based on free speech.

There's no "free speech" in faggy lefist culture. (This comment is shadow banned for example)

Re: Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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Good luck! One more vote in the senate and they can pass a bill to do this. It seems the major providers are holding off on any large changes until they feel it is safe from political blowback. I find this interesting.

> One more vote in the senate and they can pass a bill to do this Which would matter a lot more if the US had a unicameral legislature with no executive veto; the Senate passing a CRA bill shooting down the FCC repeal of open internet rules would be a potent symbol, but have no binding effect since it has near zero chance in the House and, doesn't have the supermajority in either chamber needed to survive a near-cert…

A boy can dream...

Re: Mozilla Files Suit Against FCC to Protect Net Neutrality

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post #116

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Google is as much of a monopoly than Microsoft ever was. Microsoft never was the only OS provider or browser provider or sole provider of anything, yet the parent comment calls it a monopoly and praises the effort to hurt it. You can't have it both ways - if Microsoft was a monopoly, then Google is.

Microsoft was never a monopoly and Google can never be a monopoly. It's not something that a company is, it's something that a company has. In Microsoft's case, it was Windows and it was considered a monopoly not because it was the only operating system, but because of its market share. The only product that Google has that has anywhere near the required market share to be considered a monopoly is Google Search. Even…

> The only product that Google has that has anywhere near the required market share to be considered a monopoly is Google Search.

What about Android? Did you ever see an Android phone sold without the Google App ecosystem? Oh, and the GApps tracks you everytime, even with GPS off it constantly tracks you. the only way to disable it is to reinstall with AOSP or CAF-based build. That seems pretty abusive and anti-consumer.

And we're skipping Chrome/GoogleSearch combo, DoubleClick, Youtube...

Google not only has a very monopolistic position in certain services, but also has a lot of control over the most used web services on the world (without being in a monopoly situation), and uses it to actively track it's users and get revenue with it. Google is one of the companies I trust less.

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