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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by cardiffspaceman » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:04 PM UTC

emilsedgh wrote: post #60

FBISurveillance wrote: post #27

IMO, it does not make sense to buy any of those new models: whether it's Dell, HP, or else--before we see models with 32Gb of RAM. It's been told here over and over since 2016 when first Touchbar MacBook got released. It's 2018 and all of us, including manufacturers, are locked with 16GB of RAM and those upgrades look like a joke. Within last month I noticed myötähäpeä when someone asks me for laptop advice. Hopefull…

Do people actually need 32G ram though or is it just being obsessed with higher specs? I have an X1 Carbon with 16G. I rarely use 4G memory with a full KDE (+ KMail with hundreds of thousands of emails stored locally), a few atom based apps (Slack, Spotify) and a browser that is always open. My browser usually has only a few tabs open and I understand that people have browsers with hundreds of windows and full fledge…

It's not that I need to do many tasks, it's that this one task calls for lots of RAM, and it's best if I can do it freely instead of only doing it overnight like a batch-mode cave dweller.

I have a build that when done from scratch calls upon the linker in such a way, it needs about 12G working set, and it's much faster if that's RAM. It took 'overnight' when I had 8G and if I was present, I could barely do anything else.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by bakedbean » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:05 PM UTC

sprt wrote: post #198

How's high DPI support on Ubuntu nowadays? My last experience (2 years ago?), everything was super small and when I tried changing the scaling it wasn't pixel-perfect. Literally had to return the laptop and get the 1366x768 version.

it's actually not terrible if you are willing to use the unity desktop... but as I understand it canonical won't be supporting unity and is switching back to Gnome, which is... a bag of tweaks and scaling.

I've been using Elementary (an Ubuntu Gnome fork) which delivers a slightly better out of the box ui.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by ahakki » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:05 PM UTC

dsego wrote: post #169

andor wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really happy about USB-C. Since I got a new Macbook I only carry a single power adapter when traveling, plus an adapter dongle for legacy devices (Headphones, Kindle, Shaver, ...). Same for use in the office: a single cable connects you to power, an external display, Ethernet, etc. It's true that most external devices are still USB-A, but that's not Dell's or Apple's problem. It's a chicken-and-egg situation and…

My macbook's usb-c charger constantly loses connection, a slight tug and it falls out.

Return it. Apple replaces faulty devices liberally.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by aceoflala » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:06 PM UTC

dingo_bat wrote: post #52

Where's the fucking USB ports?!? I have literally used or observed zero USB C devices till now. I've seen newer phones but who plugs phones into computers anymore? The main issue is flash drives, external HDDs, mice, keyboards, LTE modems, Kindle, and so on. None of those are available in type C variants and I don't want to be inconvenienced by my new laptop. If I wanted to hurt myself I'd just buy from Apple!

>who plugs phones into computers anymore?

Eh? How do I transfer my music to my phone?

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by synaesthesisx » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:07 PM UTC

ascendantlogic wrote: post #11

Only 16 gigs of RAM? Why do companies still hold that limit in 2018? I was hoping for 32 gigs back in 2015.

A lot of these newer NVMe SSD's these days have such insane I/O that swaps are significantly faster. That said RAM is still preferable (especially when working with multiple VMs)

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by pyrophane » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:07 PM UTC

sprt wrote: post #198

How's high DPI support on Ubuntu nowadays? My last experience (2 years ago?), everything was super small and when I tried changing the scaling it wasn't pixel-perfect. Literally had to return the laptop and get the 1366x768 version.

It was better before the switch to wayland/gnome in 17.10. In 17.04 they actually appeared to have fractional scaling working pretty seamlessly in Unity (not sure exactly what they did to accomplish that), but with the most recent version they are back to integer only.

That being said, gnome is expected to have factional scaling support under wayland for 3.28, scheduled for, iirc, March.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by kingosticks » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:09 PM UTC

torgard wrote: post #194

kingosticks wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused, it sounds like you want a European keyboard layout, and the European configurations go up to 16GB with a normal display: > i7 | 16GB | 512GB | FHD non-touch (1920 x 1080)

System76, specifically the Galago Pro. I want it because Linux runs well on it, it has 8th gen i7, 16gb ram, and a 4k non touch screen. But only US layouts. European, specifically scandinavian and UK layouts, have 1 additional button, so labels cannot fix it either

I'll be honest, I'm still confused why the European 16GB non-touch xps13 configuration doesn't work for you...

Edit: ohhhh! You want non-touch but 4k. Now I see! But if it's paying for unwanted touch functionality vs a US keyboard layout (not to mention the vastly inferior design and size) then I know what I'm picking.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by pyrophane » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:11 PM UTC

megy wrote: post #192

Selling a laptop with 4gb in this day and age is a joke, right? Especially a developer edition? Why bother. Even the Apple Macbook (not pro) come with at least 8gb.

I raised an eyebrow at that as well. I guess it was to squeak in under the $1k mark but it seems like an odd decision for a machine being targeted at developers

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by gattr » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:12 PM UTC

I settled on the 13.3" form factor 6 years ago, but the lack of all dedicated PgUp, PgDown, Home, End, Ins, Del keys puts me off (I'm very used to copy/paste with Ctrl/Shift-Ins and whole line selection). Well, I'm sticking with the small ProBooks and Lenovos for now.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Post by weego » Thu, Jan 04, 2018, 10:12 PM UTC

kingosticks wrote: post #207

torgard wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

System76, specifically the Galago Pro. I want it because Linux runs well on it, it has 8th gen i7, 16gb ram, and a 4k non touch screen. But only US layouts. European, specifically scandinavian and UK layouts, have 1 additional button, so labels cannot fix it either

I'll be honest, I'm still confused why the European 16GB non-touch xps13 configuration doesn't work for you... Edit: ohhhh! You want non-touch but 4k. Now I see! But if it's paying for unwanted touch functionality vs a US keyboard layout (not to mention the vastly inferior design and size) then I know what I'm picking.

I think his primary goal is to mention system76 much as possible while pouring scorn on dell