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There is a page on HipChat Data Center aswell: https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/faq-st... :)
Do you work for, or on behalf of Atlassian?
Looks like it. https://twitter.com/marshallofsound
Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…
You are correct but so often we are measured on individual productivity. And you get what you measure. So team members will want to work distraction-free to max their KPIs. Your insights good, it needs to be needed by managers and staff that the team is working as a team.
I make sure that the people manager of the junior engineers I mentor know that my view of the productivity they are evaluated on is that it's related to the quality of their engineering, not output quantity, or even output per se. A significant part of engineering is bringing clarity to a problem, usually by engaging in a proper process of requirements analysis and design. Time spent slapping code into an editor ought to be less than the time spent doing other engineering tasks. Frequently it ought to be much less.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
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No, stop. Please. I was a huge proponent of IRC but the lack of developments the past... decades has killed it for me. Discord is straight up better. Yes it's proprietary, but no, IRC is just not a good alternative at this point, it hasn't kept up. And I love to death what the IRCCloud guys are doing but it's just not good enough to use as a proper communication tool especially in a company. Admitting this is the fir…
You need to go where your community is. If your audience is primarily on IRC, you can't just ignore it.
At the end of 2014, I was in a solid ~40 irc channels and active in maybe 15 of them.
Today, I'm in 10 and active in none. All the channels I left, even some of the ones I'm still in now, have switched to Discord, Slack or Matrix. The two only channels I care about are actually both mirrored on Discord using the excellent Matterbridge (https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/).
I was a heavy IRC user. The audience is gone.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
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Can you recommend an IRC client that works for non-technical folks that also works with api and webhooks capabilities?
That seems to be a project waiting to be written. It's clear that IRC can be good enough but slack wins because of the smooth on-boarding for non-technical people. I guess noone has built it because for techies, IRC is good enough, and there isn't a clear path to monetizing it?
The Lounge works rather nicely for non technical people, https://github.com/thelounge/lounge
ScoutLink uses it for kids with great success.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
#205So we have all of these chat apps. Choice is never a bad thing, but this has to be somewhat beyond saturation point, no? I don't know about anyone else, but I would rather have my work chat apps resemble social media chat apps less rather than more. Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. Also, this is coming from the makers…
I don't use any Atlassian products, but I see the appeal of a Slack-like chat app that natively integrates with other Atlassian products - particularly for knowledge management purposes. Businesses can configure/customize Slack to do this, but it's not really intuitive.
In my experience atlassian products dont really integrate with each other any better than they do with third party products. I wouldn't expect a jira/stride workflow to be any better than a jira/slack workflow.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
#206As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…
What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?
A wiki that allows referencing to a ticketing system - the way you can tie confluence docs to jira - is, imo, one of the unique tie-ins I've not seen replicated in any other system.
Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s).
I've wondered if they've got some patent on this which has prevented other folks from replicating it. Or... is everyone else so focused on "disparate tools that talk to each other" that this tie in has never made it on anyone's radar?
If this was in redmine (for example) - having the wiki be aware of the ticket system - that would be great.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
#207Like Slack, it has per user pricing. This means it's difficult for large open source projects to use it if they have any interest in keeping a permanent log, or even keeping a message history that goes back more than a few days. Feature-wise, the "Actions and Decisions" tools sound pretty interesting. Definitely a pain point with Slack. We've been using Slack for a lot of our planning for the Longhorn PHP conference…
Open source projects can request free licenses from Atlassian. Here's the form: https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license... Presumably, they'll add Stride to that form eventually.
yes, we will eventually.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
#208As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…
> Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path AFAIK, they offer migration from Hipchat to Stride https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/upgrad... > We'll move all of your teammates, rooms, files, custom emoticons, and message history over to Stride for you so your team won't miss a beat.
Sounds like they might be using HipChat self-hosted, not in their "Cloud" solution.
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You really also need to run a bot server on a reliable connection that can log and index everything to approach the utility of Slack.
You need to do this on slack unless you pay for it. Comparatively IRC is free and it's actually easier to make a logging IRC bot than it is to make one on slack.
The time it would take me to research a logging bot, set up a server, add monitoring to make sure it stays up would cost more of my time than purchasing Slack for several years for my small team. I don't see how you claim it can be easier than Slack since Slack by definition has everything stored already, you just have to pay for it.
Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor
#210My only question is, which Slack alternative does not use half my CPUs and suck down my battery just to run ideally in the background?
I'm to the point now where I just leave the Slack web client open as a tab in Chrome. It works well for me and I still get notifications when I need them.
The best part is I can use the back button to go to previously viewed rooms/messages.