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Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression

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Re: Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression

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So what? The Daily Stormer isn't being treated as a pariah because Andrew Anglin is Caucasian, but because he calls for white supremacy and war against others.

So what? So they don't get freedom of speech, which is the discussion here. Most people believe freedom of speech is a good thing we want.

And also that it has limits. Eliminationist threats don't deserve constitutional protection for the same reason as other kinds of criminal threats.

Re: Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression

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Indeed. It seems as though the entire West has lost its collective mind about the importance of free speech and free expression as bedrock principles which ensure peace, stability and prosperity. Additionally, I view these acts of censorship as a great opportunity for blockchain and other nascent decentralized web technologies to take off. It's a classic case of the innovator's dilemma - when a company or industry se…

Someone needs to invent a Godwin-like rule about the word "blockchain" being used in Internet conversations...

Godwin's Law has been repealed: https://mobile.twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896898183246303...

Re: Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression

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Someone needs to invent a Godwin-like rule about the word "blockchain" being used in Internet conversations...

I don't understand how Godwin's rule is useful. Its only effect on arguments is that on top of the inevitable "Hitler" comment you now also get an inevitable "Godwin" follow-up, usually delivered with the air of having somehow won the argument. It's beyond redundant IMO.

That's because people abuse Godwin's law (or what they think it is) to shut down discussion.

Taken from Wikipedia;

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by American lawyer, journalist and author Glenn Greenwald.

Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written. In December 2015, Godwin commented on the Nazi and fascist comparisons being made by several articles on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, saying: "If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump.

Re: Fighting Neo-Nazis and the Future of Free Expression

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post #88

This fetishization of "free speech" has to stop. These people do not respect free speech. They do not respect an open society. They do not respect freedom. They wish to destroy all of these things and they are entirely upfront about it. And yet all I've read the past few days is hand wringing about the "rights" of those who wish to destroy that of which open societies have built. At least the citizens of the early 19…

It's an abuse of HN to use it primarily for ideological battle, which you've been doing for months now. This is destructive of what the site is for—and so is the inevitably attendant incivility—regardless of how correct your underlying points are. We ban accounts that do this, so would you please stop? A flamewar about Nazis vs. communists is a sort of reductio ad absurdum on the internet. (No, this is not because we…

How could I be "doing it for months now" when I haven't posted for months? Other than a comment a few days before this I hadn't posted for almost 5 months. It takes about 10 seconds to look at my account's posting history to see it's been inactive for months, so do you have me confused with someone else? What's the deal?
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