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Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by gkya »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #52
stuartd wrote: post #16

Yeah, I'm old as well. Things change. Not for the better maybe, but you can't turn back the clock.. the only way forward is to make something new and better.

I'm still using RSS without issue. Funny thing is, i didn't really use it back in the day, I've just gravitated toward the best UX available over the years.

This. Many stuff is still there for who want to use them. I use feeds, email and nntp everyday. Also paper books, fountain pens. And also WhatsApp. I don't get the need that the stuff I use to be justified by its popularity or its newness.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by edraferi »

rakoo wrote: post #113

This is partly what weboob ( http://weboob.org ) wants to solve, or at least work around. Its goal is to pull the web out of browsers (hence the name): - each website is handled by a module that does all the scraping, or uses the api if needed - each module provides one or more capabilities, such as "list an account transactions" (typically for your bank or your mobile provider) or "receive and send messages" (such a…

The technology and concept are interesting, but the branding is a non-starter. Even if you forgive the overall project name, the individual applications are worse. They include:

- QFlatBoob

- QHandjoob

- Boobcoming

- Boobsize

- Flatboob

- Wetboobs

This naming convention undermines the project's potential. I can't take this to my boss & colleagues. I don't want it on my github profile or my resume. I don't want to talk about it at my meetups.

I suspect that you are surprised and disappointed to find that naming objections are the dominant response to your project. I assume you want the project to find a broad audience and didn't name the project badly on purpose. So let me try to explain why you're getting this reaction.

1. Boob jokes are juvenile.

They remind me of school buses full of sweaty pubescent boys, drenched in Axe body spray and crudely trying to discuss sex. I already lived that once and I really don't want to go back. Leave it on r/blunderyears/

2. Boob jokes sexualize needlessly.

Sex is a wonderful, healthy part of life. People's bodies are beautiful. But sex is also distracting. You don't want to be thinking about sex when you're trying to focus on building software. It's just counterproductive.

3. Boob jokes undermine community.

THIS is the biggest problem. By naming all your software after bad boob jokes, you make it very uncomfortable for women to participate in your project. Imagine a woman with great Python skills and a desire to improve the web finds your project. Do you want her thinking about how 14 year old boys talked about her adolescent body, or do you want her thinking about what cool applications she can build with you?

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I hope you take this feedback in good faith and rebrand the project. I'd love to see it succeed.

PS. I'm writing this from the USA. It appears that weboob is developed out of France. Cultures are different, maybe this is more ok in France. But in the US, we're really trying to avoid this kind of thing.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by rakoo »

xerophyte12932 wrote: post #126
rakoo wrote: post #113

This is partly what weboob ( http://weboob.org ) wants to solve, or at least work around. Its goal is to pull the web out of browsers (hence the name): - each website is handled by a module that does all the scraping, or uses the api if needed - each module provides one or more capabilities, such as "list an account transactions" (typically for your bank or your mobile provider) or "receive and send messages" (such a…

Am I the only one who read the name and thought this was a porn site? I think the service would reach a greater audience with a simpler name. (Btw I still don't get how the creator wants me to read the name and what it means)

The name stands for WEB Out Of Browsers. The naming thing is always the first point people take about and, unfortunately in most cases, the only one. Which is a shame because the project is useful, and using a software for what it is rather than for how it's called or presented is what hackers usually do.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by rmc »

btym wrote: post #26
edgartaor wrote: post #9

What do you think about Reddit? Topics are enforced and have an API.

The same thing happens to every subreddit. It's good, people like it, it grows very large, the quality of submissions goes down (or the same content gets reposted constantly). People are incentivized by their visible "karma" score to post mass amounts of low-effort content.

This can be solved by moderation. Not voting, old school approach of moderators removing things. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/ still has quite a high standard, and that's because they have strict moderation.

You can't have "democracy" and "voting" and "algorithms" and then have high content.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by rakoo »

edraferi wrote: post #202
rakoo wrote: post #113

This is partly what weboob ( http://weboob.org ) wants to solve, or at least work around. Its goal is to pull the web out of browsers (hence the name): - each website is handled by a module that does all the scraping, or uses the api if needed - each module provides one or more capabilities, such as "list an account transactions" (typically for your bank or your mobile provider) or "receive and send messages" (such a…

The technology and concept are interesting, but the branding is a non-starter. Even if you forgive the overall project name, the individual applications are worse. They include: - QFlatBoob - QHandjoob - Boobcoming - Boobsize - Flatboob - Wetboobs This naming convention undermines the project's potential. I can't take this to my boss & colleagues. I don't want it on my github profile or my resume. I don't want to tal…

Thanks a lot for this feedback, but this is not my project. I merely know about it (ansd contributed a module). It is true that coming from France, the issue is probably less important.

By the way, here's a piece the creator has written explaining their point of view on the whole thing: http://laurent.bachelier.name/2013/12/weboob-the-asshole-det...

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by wcummings »

jancsika wrote: post #188
cwyers wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's all of it. The Internet used to be these networks that we could, through tools, arrange to be around us. We'd have our e-mail network and our Usenet network and our IRC network, and we have ways to view all those things that aggregated among different e-mail servers and different USENET groups and different IRC channels, and gave us a view around How We We Engaging With The Content (e-mail for on…

> But if you could find a way to scale up the "me-centric" view of the web to modern needs, then everyone -- early adopters and the mass audience -- would both benefit, I think. Even assuming there were adequate mindshare to develop and maintain such an effort-- let's even just pick a modern day USENET-- how are you going to pay the bills?

USENET still exists, and someone pays the bills. Ditto for IRC. People still use them.

Though RSS is kinda dying, I'll give the author that.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by wcummings »

ueroc wrote: post #27
chongli wrote: post #10

With all due respect, what changed since the 56k days (which I remember fondly as well) is that people showed up. Before that, the only users on the internet were early adopters. It's unreasonable to expect 'those people' to go away.

Go read old IRC logs, it's pretty "meh". You can join mailing lists where there mostly "old schoolers", which is also pretty "meh". The people or the conversations where never that exciting. It was all about the context of being exposed to something emerging. You were chatting with people from the other side of the world while most people had barely read a foreign newspaper. I'm sure one could have similar experience…

Sounds like more a reflection of you and your conversations than IRC as a medium.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by rmc »

swiley wrote: post #70
sergiotapia wrote: post #62

Medium is quickly becoming the central place for programming articles, and it's ridiculous they don't offer an API. Check it out: https://github.com/Medium/medium-api-docs/issues/91 More of these website are just becoming data silos and not sharing their data. Unfortunately I don't know of a better place to write programming content. https://sergiotapia.me If you're a developer and you care about this, like I do, whe…

You could just push your stuff to github.io...

Or on your own website. Get your own domain! Host some static files!

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

#209

Post by gkya »

sergiotapia wrote: post #62

Medium is quickly becoming the central place for programming articles, and it's ridiculous they don't offer an API. Check it out: https://github.com/Medium/medium-api-docs/issues/91 More of these website are just becoming data silos and not sharing their data. Unfortunately I don't know of a better place to write programming content. https://sergiotapia.me If you're a developer and you care about this, like I do, whe…

> Medium is quickly becoming the central place for programming articles

How? There are many programmers on medium, maybe. But it's a website I categorically avoid (too big and clunky, and hardly ever any quality content found there), and yet I can follow many programming blogs.

Re: Stopping the Internet of Noise – A useful internet back again

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Post by YCode »

cwyers wrote: post #89
chongli wrote: post #10

With all due respect, what changed since the 56k days (which I remember fondly as well) is that people showed up. Before that, the only users on the internet were early adopters. It's unreasonable to expect 'those people' to go away.

I don't think that's all of it. The Internet used to be these networks that we could, through tools, arrange to be around us. We'd have our e-mail network and our Usenet network and our IRC network, and we have ways to view all those things that aggregated among different e-mail servers and different USENET groups and different IRC channels, and gave us a view around How We We Engaging With The Content (e-mail for on…

It seems to me the way connections are built on the Internet is different now. It used to be for example that 90% of the people I knew online I didn't know in person. These days that percentage might be inversed.

Not saying it's the only factor, but when connections are built via real-life relationships instead of communities of interest and then sprinkled with automated personalized content aggregation perhaps you end up with an environment where everyone seems to live in their own bubble of information overload.

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