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My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by danielvinson »

erroneousfunk wrote: post #146
danielvinson wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but he should have revised his damages for the second case to account for his expenses, including time. He probably could have won closer to $6000 without a problem. The author comes off as deeply uninformed about how legal proceedings in the U.S. work, for example talking about how he had to refute arguments in court and such, which is just not how things work at all at that level. Some basic Googleing would…

You can't usually get your own time costs back. Even suing for real actual legal fees (that you can document, such as payments to lawyers) is tricky and usually demands that an existing contract is in place to enforce this, or that the suit is frivolous, and a judge has to rule on the frivolity. You can't just go to small claims court and say "I make $50/hr, and I've spent 20 hours on this, so I also demand an extra…

This heavily depends on the judge, which court, and where. All of my cases which have been heard by a court I've been awarded money for my time.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by tyingq »

waqf wrote: post #44
tbrake wrote: post #30

I don't get the "should have heard the car drive away and chased him" angle they twice tried. He should be at fault for not being as fast as a car? Most people aren't going to be able to run at >10mph for very long, forget about anything more. And even then, suppose he had caught up to the car and the driver didn't want to stop. Just slimy.

That's not what they were trying to argue. They were trying to argue that the video of the car leaving as soon as he got out (and him continuing to walk away) proved that he was expecting the car to leave as soon as he got out, therefore he was lying to the court about having intentionally left a backpack in the car.

Could be some middle ground. That video doesn't really help his case to me. He knows the car is in the middle of the street, and not parked. The driver does start rolling while the passenger is clearly very close to the car. Even if you assume he didn't notice the car leaving, it seems to speak to the drivers intent. If the driver was intending to steal something, why risk pulling away when the owner of the bag is so close?

It's plausible to me that the driver didn't hear, or didn't pay full attention to the request to wait, and just pulled away...and that the bag was taken by a later passenger.

I would have been happy to get the money, and probably would have skipped the blog post.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by qb45 »

The detective in charge of my case sent me the police report. She had contacted the official law enforcement department of Uber to get more information. She gave Uber the date and time of the ride, as well as the license plate of the vehicle and name of the driver.

The Uber department responded that they had no record of a trip from the vehicle with that license plate on December 5th, 2016, just after 11 PM, and the driver had not driven with them for 2 years.

Funny, I came here to rant that Uber shouldn't really be responsible for that and the OP should have sued the driver instead, but if this is their response then they totally deserved everything they got and more.

How is it even possible to get away with lying to the police like that? They should be in serious trouble for this alone.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by hsod »

zer00eyz wrote: post #195
hsod wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except in the author's own narrative, Uber explicitly acknowledges that a trip and a theft took place during the first court date.

Right, and that isn't what they told the police, the first time. Only after court when it was clear that "it didn't happen" will never hold water, did they go back and amend that record with them. This is literally how you get charged with "obstructing justice" --- you shut up or you tell the truth.

Are you talking about this part? It seems a pretty thin statement on which to rest an allegation of obstruction.

"The Uber department responded that they had no record of a trip from the vehicle with that license plate on December 5th, 2016, just after 11 PM, and the driver had not driven with them for 2 years."

This still leaves a lot of open questions and is IMO not even a compelling allegation of obstruction of justice, let alone proof. As I said before, it's entirely possible that the actual driver/car were not the ones registered with Uber on the account. It's also possible that somebody erred when looking up records, or a million other things.

What we do know is that by the time this made it to the first court date, Uber was not denying that a trip or a theft took place.

I'll reiterate my fundamental argument since this has strayed a little bit: this article is muddled and confusing with regards to cataloguing bad actions by Uber.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by codedokode »

tyingq wrote: post #202
waqf wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what they were trying to argue. They were trying to argue that the video of the car leaving as soon as he got out (and him continuing to walk away) proved that he was expecting the car to leave as soon as he got out, therefore he was lying to the court about having intentionally left a backpack in the car.

Could be some middle ground. That video doesn't really help his case to me. He knows the car is in the middle of the street, and not parked. The driver does start rolling while the passenger is clearly very close to the car. Even if you assume he didn't notice the car leaving, it seems to speak to the drivers intent. If the driver was intending to steal something, why risk pulling away when the owner of the bag is so…

This doesn't explain why the driver didn't return any calls. And in this case Uber could give data about that passenger to the police.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by tyingq »

codedokode wrote: post #207
tyingq wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be some middle ground. That video doesn't really help his case to me. He knows the car is in the middle of the street, and not parked. The driver does start rolling while the passenger is clearly very close to the car. Even if you assume he didn't notice the car leaving, it seems to speak to the drivers intent. If the driver was intending to steal something, why risk pulling away when the owner of the bag is so…

This doesn't explain why the driver didn't return any calls. And in this case Uber could give data about that passenger to the police.

Sure. I've heard of that problem, both with Uber and Lyft, on things that had nothing to do with fraud though. I don't know that either company does anything to reward drivers that answer calls/texts, or punish those that don't.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by linkmotif »

rodgerd wrote: post #68
devoply wrote: post #21

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I wonder what recourse you have with a real taxi. I am sure the company contracting a taxi driver would consider firing a driver that steals your stuff. Especially after a few complaints. The main problem seems to be Uber's unresponsiveness to the whole issue. It would not be hard for them to set up some sort of system to prevent fraud and theft and to punish drivers accused of that sort of thing, and to kick them ou…

I left a DSLR in a taxi in Ballarat. I live in New Zealand. They couriered to me for free. (I sent the driver a box of wine to say thanks).

I've had all kinds of positive similar experiences with people all over the world. Most people aren't out to rob you.

Re: My Uber driver robbed me, so I took Uber to court and won

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Post by linkmotif »

What I don’t understand about Uber after all these months/years of them being horrible to customers is: Why?

#1 rule of capitalism is to coddle your customers as much as possible at every possible expense while still remaining profitable. Why does Uber act so 2nd World?

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