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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by castis »

testertesttest wrote: post #199
castis wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing T_D would result in an insane amount of backlash that I'm sure they don't want to put up with. If you have to have a cancer, better to know where it is and keep tabs on it that risk spreading it out.

It's funny how many people here claim to support "the free exchange of ideas" but forget to mention the caveat "only if I like them". It's almost like there's a bunch of gaslighting that makes it okay, regardless of opinion, to modify voting algorithms to promote certain political opinions. FYI this is the behavior the brown shirts exhibited. We're not so far from those times again.

I hope that wasn't a critique of my behavior, I never claimed to support a free exchange of ideas.

I'm having difficulty determining who (if at all?) you have an issue with?

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by dredmorbius »

oridecon wrote: post #96
pvnick wrote: post #86

Best of luck. Reddit needs a good kick in the arse. Since shortly before Steve Huffman's (Spez) return, Reddit has adopted a policy of top-down content curation - banning controversial subreddits, changing the voting algorithm to dis-favor /r/the_donald, and most recently introducing /r/popular which is basically /r/all without that pesky /r/the_donald subreddit (ffs just man up and ban the group rather than pretendi…

Reddit is still bearable if you ignore the frontpage/popular subs. Nothing new but it got way worse the last couple of years. - Look at this cute dog (drinking a bottle of Coca-Cola) - I broke my leg this morning (while holding this can of Pepsi) - Thread that shouldn't be on the frontpage (and the top comment is: "I bet he bought it at Walmart") - Cool drone video (literally filming an ad) - Photo of CharmingGuyMcAb…

/r/hailcorporate

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by dredmorbius »

testertesttest wrote: post #199
castis wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removing T_D would result in an insane amount of backlash that I'm sure they don't want to put up with. If you have to have a cancer, better to know where it is and keep tabs on it that risk spreading it out.

It's funny how many people here claim to support "the free exchange of ideas" but forget to mention the caveat "only if I like them". It's almost like there's a bunch of gaslighting that makes it okay, regardless of opinion, to modify voting algorithms to promote certain political opinions. FYI this is the behavior the brown shirts exhibited. We're not so far from those times again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by oridecon »

dredmorbius wrote: post #202
oridecon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is still bearable if you ignore the frontpage/popular subs. Nothing new but it got way worse the last couple of years. - Look at this cute dog (drinking a bottle of Coca-Cola) - I broke my leg this morning (while holding this can of Pepsi) - Thread that shouldn't be on the frontpage (and the top comment is: "I bet he bought it at Walmart") - Cool drone video (literally filming an ad) - Photo of CharmingGuyMcAb…

/r/hailcorporate

Why would I go to a sub that points to obvious shills and product placements? I'm only giving more views to their images. Maybe hailcorporate was made by the same people.

(X-Files theme song)

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by pavel_lishin »

bmm6o wrote: post #200
fapjacks wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but isn't that more generally culture's fault and not Reddit's fault?

A site can do something about its users' behavior more easily than they can do something about the larger culture.

I hope you're right, because so far it looks like Voten doesn't have any community moderators at all.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by dredmorbius »

epmaybe wrote: post #87
hashkb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a huge deal if you care about conversion. Anyone with web experience should know this.

Are you talking about converting people from Reddit to Voten? Maybe the point is that they want more people to actively contribute rather than just lurk? It could just be a different opinion on what a Reddit alternative could look like.

"Online conversions" generally refers to the process of converting a visitor from some lesser-valued status to a higher-valued one. Unsubscribed visitor to subscribed visitor. Lurker to commenter. Commenter to contributor. Contributor to customer, etc.

Closely associated is the concept of a "conversion funnel", which measures the fall-off in participation as additional hurdles are imposed: registration, check-in, passwords, browser compatibility, extensions, screen resolution, etc., etc. The results can sometimes be counterintuitive.

For a sense of just how precipitous that fall-off can be, from an example I've got some strong familiarity with, there's this image showing total Google+ registered profiles, the number which were ever active, within the past year, and excluding YouTube activity (which was being included in totals). The net result was about an 0.3% active public participation rate.

https://d324imu86q1bqn.cloudfront.net/uploads/asset/attachme...

Study:

https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/naya9wqdemiovuvwvoyquq

(My work.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_marketing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_funnel

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by mintplant »

bmm6o wrote: post #200
fapjacks wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but isn't that more generally culture's fault and not Reddit's fault?

A site can do something about its users' behavior more easily than they can do something about the larger culture.

Is it just me or are seemingly random comments getting downvoted heavily as of late? I don't see anything particularly wrong with this one.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by dredmorbius »

oridecon wrote: post #205
dredmorbius wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/r/hailcorporate

Why would I go to a sub that points to obvious shills and product placements? I'm only giving more views to their images. Maybe hailcorporate was made by the same people. (X-Files theme song)

It's not so much that you'd want to hang there, as to observe that the problem is noted ("hail corporate" is a deeply ironic name), and fairly well documented.

In other news, Reddit have announced some changes to their spam management today.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Post by fapjacks »

mintplant wrote: post #208
bmm6o wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A site can do something about its users' behavior more easily than they can do something about the larger culture.

Is it just me or are seemingly random comments getting downvoted heavily as of late? I don't see anything particularly wrong with this one.

I have noticed and I agree. HN is at the top of the list of sites I wish I had log data for. It would be a very interesting week of hacking looking for trends.
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