I've almost always been presented one, and I've always had it removed. It is a certainty I will compete, especially the more I become an "expert" in an industry, it's not a fair expectation. I work for startups, probably tougher at big corps.
Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job
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Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job
#202I had a previous employer trying to stop me from working directly for a client. Only, I had brought in the client, I was the only one working for that client and that client didn't want anything to do with the rest of my employer. I felt morally OK with the situation... Only, my contract did have a noncompete. But then, this is Sweden, and noncompete clauses are almost not enforceable by Swedish law. An employer can'…
Don't know about Sweden, but in several countries / states non-competes and non-poaching/solicitation (clients, colleagues) clauses are treated quite differently.
Yeah that doesn't sound like non-compete, that sounds like poaching.
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#203This is a kind of feudalism, where the peasants need to rely on the strength of lords and their knights (lawyers) to enjoy basic freedoms.
>This is a kind of feudalism, where the peasants need to rely on the strength of lords and their knights (lawyers) to enjoy basic freedoms. Actually, I think it's a hallmark of a free society where consenting adults are able to enter into, or not, any agreements they choose. The problem is that some people make bad choices in the agreements they commit to, or they enter them in bad faith, not intending to honor them,…
I won't say that your definition of a free society is wrong, but I think it's worth pointing out that it doesn't exactly rule out a feudal system.
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#204If you're working in a small industry where specialized skills are required, and firms commonly collaborate, you may encounter unacknowledged/secret non-compete policies. Basically, nobody else will hire you, and they won't tell you why. If you've made some friends, they may tell you what's going on. But there's little recourse.
Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job
#205If you're working in a small industry where specialized skills are required, and firms commonly collaborate, you may encounter unacknowledged/secret non-compete policies. Basically, nobody else will hire you, and they won't tell you why. If you've made some friends, they may tell you what's going on. But there's little recourse.
Can't you sue the companies in question if there is any evidence they're doing that?
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was me. And $95,000/year is a pretty good salary. Don't forget the free room and board on top of that.
The government provides the cooks and household staff, but the president is responsible for paying for the food.
Really? Do you have a link for this?
This sounds very interesting and sort of funny. Not really sure how it works on other presidential houses, but still sounds amusing since it will probably require rules and guidelines on what exactly to deduct from the president's paycheck, no? What if the president invites someone over, in a sort-of-unofficial way but not really, do you get deducted as well? or maybe not because it was "for the job" sort of?
Definitely interested to know more.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Donald Trump gets paid more than enough to be considered to be on the clock 24/7, and it's generally understood that this is the nature of that job.
Well, as President Donald Trump gets paid a base salary of 400k. As another poster pointed out the difference between 40 hours / week, and 24/7 is 4.2x. That would mean that "more than enough" for a normal salary is $95k.
Not sure if it's relevant to the point, but Trump is donating his salary, Kennedy did as well, Hoover refused a salary and Washington tried to. I don't believe you can judge whether a job is 24/7 or not by the amount they pay you.
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#208See also the classic NDAs and Contracts That You Should Never Sign, March 28, 2000 by Joel Spolsky:
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/03/28/ndas-and-contracts...
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never been presented with one (and hope I never will) so this is hypothetical, but I have a hard time imagining even doing that. A company is paying me to work for them, they're not paying to own me. When I'm off the clock, my time is my own, up to and including doing paid work for anyone else I want. I'd make an exception if they increased my pay accordingly. But considering that they're asking for 4.2x more of…
That's interesting. As a contractor I saw them whenever subcontracting, but they were always willing to clarify to the point that they didn't want me contracting with any of their customers directly (and usually only ones that I met through the parent contractor). As an employee, every company I've ever worked for has given me one. Few have been negotiable, but pretty much all have openly stated/agreed they weren't e…
The proper response to "it's not enforceable in CA" is to say "then you won't mind if we cross it out before I sign".
Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job
#210If you're working in a small industry where specialized skills are required, and firms commonly collaborate, you may encounter unacknowledged/secret non-compete policies. Basically, nobody else will hire you, and they won't tell you why. If you've made some friends, they may tell you what's going on. But there's little recourse.
Can't you sue the companies in question if there is any evidence they're doing that?
Sure, if you have the resources. In my case, it was far more feasible to change careers.
Edit: I did speak with a few attorneys. But they all wanted cash up front. And told me that I had little chance of success.