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Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by erikb »

curun1r wrote: post #199
erikb wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you understand as "Engineering Manager"? In software an engineer that upgraded to managing other engineers seems to be common practice.

Yes, it's common practice. It's how I originally became a manager. That's why it's somewhat rare to see job openings for those management positions. Most companies would rather promote from within than hire an someone from outside the company. Managers are often most effective when the people being managed believe they understand the work being done intimately and the easiest way to show that is to have done that wor…

Yeah, alright. That makes sense.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by tutufan »

ryandrake wrote: post #186
dalbasal wrote: post #159

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You seem to be taking a somewhat minority position, based on replies. I'm with you, but I think I see where others are coming from. I had job referrals before, and it can work. The dynamics of this are complicated, but the bottom line seems to be that networking works when it works, but not always or for everyone or in every job market. The reality is that lots of jobs get filled every day with a process very much li…

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't work. Surveys of people who got their last job show that many (most?) of them got it through a personal/professional connection. I think a lot of the replies here think I'm saying it doesn't work. It clearly does. What I'm saying is that it doesn't seem reliable or scalable. Looking at my own network, the one's I've kept up with[1], which I think is pretty average, there…

It is maybe a bit awkward, but I never begrudge anyone that does this with me. And over the years I've done it one or twice with people I haven't spoken to in many years.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by tutufan »

Tagore wrote: post #125
jachee wrote: post #116

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Sounds like you waste a lot of people's time to lie to higher-ups.

Yep- don't hate the player, hate the game. I'm legally obligated to do so in some cases. That's what fiduciary means.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by BoysenberryPi »

rhodysurf wrote: post #175
Tagore wrote: post #87

I've literally never gotten a job by sending out resumes. Every single job I've had I got through some connection or another. I actually refused to send my current job a resume. The conversation went like this: Can you send them a resume? No- here's my LinkedIn. But can you send them a resume? No- here's my LinkedIn. OK, can you come in for an interview? Interview. A month passes. Can you come in for another intervie…

Counter point, I have gotten two job offers by just submitting resumes online. But I work in a state without tons of competing talent, so that could help.

What state if you don't mind me asking? I really want to just move out to the midwest or somewhere where there aren't a lot of programmers.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by BoysenberryPi »

rhodysurf wrote: post #175
Tagore wrote: post #87

I've literally never gotten a job by sending out resumes. Every single job I've had I got through some connection or another. I actually refused to send my current job a resume. The conversation went like this: Can you send them a resume? No- here's my LinkedIn. But can you send them a resume? No- here's my LinkedIn. OK, can you come in for an interview? Interview. A month passes. Can you come in for another intervie…

Counter point, I have gotten two job offers by just submitting resumes online. But I work in a state without tons of competing talent, so that could help.

What state if you don't mind me asking? I really want to just move out to the midwest or somewhere where there aren't a lot of programmers.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by yeukhon »

forgottenacc57 wrote: post #176
yeukhon wrote: post #121

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I once interviewed a candidate who claimed to have a PhD from a US university. He was applying to be an architect of DevOps. He didn't get through my interview and I only have my Bachelor since 2014. As usual, the night before the interview I printed out his resume and the resume was about 5 pages long. I was not too happy about long resume, especially I spotted inconsistent formatting issue there. That's sloppy. Lat…

You sure wasted a lot of time on an obviously unsuitable candidate.

And your point is?

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by kkhire »

BoysenberryPi wrote: post #204
rhodysurf wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter point, I have gotten two job offers by just submitting resumes online. But I work in a state without tons of competing talent, so that could help.

What state if you don't mind me asking? I really want to just move out to the midwest or somewhere where there aren't a lot of programmers.

if you're a programmer, you can move anywhere in the midwest and get a job easy and the hours are chill too compared to east and west coast

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by jaredklewis »

ryandrake wrote: post #114

Whenever this subject comes up, predictably the answer here is always Blah blah blah network network network. For a demographic always looking for the scalable solution to a problem, HN seems pretty attached to the least scalable option. The numbers just don't make sense to me. Let's generously assume that you meet and have excellent working relationships with 100 people at each of the 4 jobs you've had. Of those 400…

I think you overestimate the investment required in a relationship to get a job. Meeting someone at an event and having a 10 minute conversation is often enough to bypass the job posting resume screen.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by lacampbell »

rleigh wrote: post #179
lacampbell wrote: post #69

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I would honestly question why you are spending a long time tailoring an application, or pinning hopes on any one application. I wouldn't say I mass send CVs - but I try not to spend over an hour because I don't see it as a good time investment. Anyway I'm hardly an expert, but this attitude and process has helped me.

Why? Because there are two extremes here: 1) Selectively applying only for positions in companies where you truly care about the specifics of the role and the overall purpose of the company, because you want a specialised role and/or professional progression. 2) Indiscriminately applying for anything which vaguely seems like you might be able to do, even if it's not a good match and you care little about it. I've not…

Where are you finding these jobs? I am talking about the context of online job boards. The descriptions are often quite vague or written by someone non-technical. I have no idea if the place would be a good place to work at just by reading them. So I really don't feel it's worth a lot of time to do a lot of research.

I like my current job and I can't even remember what the job description said. Anyway maybe your technique works for your area and your skillset - but I'd fall flat on my face if I tried it here.

Re: Thanks for Submitting Your Résumé to This Black Hole

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Post by rampage101 »

alain94040 wrote: post #198
rampage101 wrote: post #151

I don't get why referral is counted for so much especially when there are referral bonuses which would encourage employees to refer basically anybody they know. With all these companies having massive HR departments, I also don't understand how a resume goes unread or un-responded to when it takes maybe 10 minutes max to go through a resume thoroughly.

You grossly over-estimate the time it takes to read a resume. It's way below 30 seconds per resume. Probably on average closer to 10. Try it for yourself: set up a timer, open your resume. How quickly can you figure out how much experience you have, do the job titles match more or less the position, any description that lists similar stacks to the one your group uses? 10 seconds.

It takes 10 seconds to read a resume? So you just throw out the resume if you don't immediately see "similar stacks"?

I wrote "thoroughly" meaning reading the whole thing, and possibly looking at their links, or doing some small research about something on their resume.

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