So the race to acquire the next team dev solution heats up. Slack + github + trello equivalent
GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#202Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…
They have developers from poorer countries like Eastern Europe where your twice less is twice more than local market.
You vastly underestimate situation in Eastern Europe. It's fairly easily for software engineer to move to Europe, so local companies still have to compete with that.
Anyway I've looked at my homecity in Ukraine and salaries proposed are around 80-90th percentile (~$50k for senior developer).
The thing is there's no reason for a person to hold onto Gitlab. Once you get some remote experience there're a lot of companies who provide EU/US salaries even if you happen to live in Eastern Europe.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#203Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…
In reading all these responses about the low GitLab pay calculator, does anyone have any good tips on how to underpay and still hire talent. It's pretty incredible to me.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not really able to attract much talent. Look through the LinkedIn of some of the GitLab people. A lot of them are very junior (this is the first "real job" for one guy I looked up), and they, rather clearly, have an amateur leadership team, as exhibited by their recent spectacular failures, their underwhelming commentary on remote team management, their naive idealistic implementation of "radical transparency…
That's one hell of a pessimistic view if I've ever seen one. What I see is an brilliantly managed company despite having a globally distributed team, which has a great pace of development, which is carving a nice market share in an extremely tough market (developers) and against a fierce competitor (Github), let alone the other multibillion company backed Bitbucket. And their radical transparency, as you put it, is a…
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
How do you get "brilliantly managed company" when they just had a massive data loss? How can you say that honestly?
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're not really able to attract much talent. Look through the LinkedIn of some of the GitLab people. A lot of them are very junior (this is the first "real job" for one guy I looked up), and they, rather clearly, have an amateur leadership team, as exhibited by their recent spectacular failures, their underwhelming commentary on remote team management, their naive idealistic implementation of "radical transparency…
Um ok. What's actually wrong with the product? Why is it not "well-engineered"? All the things you said could be true, yet their product is amazing. I haven't used it, but I like what I'm seeing. So what if a smart experienced developer (their CTO) is able to get good prices on what he/she wants done through remote work? The point you're making is negativity for no reason without evidence on how it's not working, i.e…
Shouldn't you use the software before calling it amazing?
Your reflexive defense isn't any more useful than extreme criticism.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#206Congrats to the gitter team, you guys are awesome and have a way (far far superior) product than slack.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#207Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…
Yeah I'm really surprised that they don't do something similar to https://buffer.com/salary or stackoverflow.
I applied to Gitlab, but then I noticed the calculator. London is below market rate. In Warsaw is half what Google pays.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have developers from poorer countries like Eastern Europe where your twice less is twice more than local market.
You vastly underestimate situation in Eastern Europe. It's fairly easily for software engineer to move to Europe, so local companies still have to compete with that. Anyway I've looked at my homecity in Ukraine and salaries proposed are around 80-90th percentile (~$50k for senior developer). The thing is there's no reason for a person to hold onto Gitlab. Once you get some remote experience there're a lot of companie…
> The thing is there's no reason for a person to hold onto Gitlab
This is the one area, I'm quite interested in seeing how things play out, from a human resources point of view. Since GitLab is so transparent, it'll be interesting to see, if they publish any information on employee turnover in the future. Or any mitigation strategies they may develop, to help retain high value employees.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ha! Any suggestions? ;)
> Any suggestions? Seriously, SublimeText, which is $70 closed-source. Less seriously, macOS and iLife. I'd be ok to pay €200/year/user for an OS of that quality, as long as it's open-source.
I'd personally (not speaking on behalf of the company) love to acquire Sublime, but it's probably too expensive at this point. I'm pretty sad to see Atom eclipse Sublime so much recently, Sublime is so much faster and change is hard :( If only it were open source.
Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code
#210I hope this spurns more OSS communities to move to gitter. As much as I enjoy slack, limits on features like search and invites creates a friction that I think a service like gitter can help solve.
Personally the fragmentation of these random chat services does little to make me want to get involved in project chat discussions.
I wish project maintainers would stick to a network like freenode and just occupy a channel there dedicated to the project. I'm already set-up to take part in discussions there, I don't need to use a web browser etc.