Definitely not defending Uber here - but does anyone else notice that the people who are complaining are usually the people who don't come from traditional computer science backgrounds? Susan has a Physics degree, and this individual has a psychology degree with a bootcamp past. My experience with bootcamps graduates aren't that great, so maybe there's a chance the managers aren't happy with their performance, hence the behavior.
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#202Let's face it, some clothes that women wear are distracting for men, including a tank top. It is an animal instinct to look at beautiful women and be attracted to them. It is like putting a chocolate infront of you and saying you cannot eat it. Of course, you will resist but it will make focusing harder for you.
Do men rape every women they find attractive on the street? We are human because we can resist the urge. Yes, women will be attractive to men and vice versa, its biological, but a tank top and I guess nowadays yoga pants are quite normal. Not getting promoted because you wore tank top a couple of times is like saying to a guy "you wear shorts and your calves are sexy, so we won't promote you". The fact that a female…
The point is self-control requires will-power that is not unlimited and if you need to be productive it is not good to spend your will-power on other stuff.
Sexism is rooted in Uber because two women from a company with 6700 employees wrote a post how they felt discriminated?
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#203Definitely not defending Uber here - but does anyone else notice that the people who are complaining are usually the people who don't come from traditional computer science backgrounds? Susan has a Physics degree, and this individual has a psychology degree with a bootcamp past. My experience with bootcamps graduates aren't that great, so maybe there's a chance the managers aren't happy with their performance, hence…
But the recruitment bar for everyone is roughly the same, no? If non-CS graduates generally are worse (which might be true), only the best of them get hired.
This only makes sense if interviewers prefer non-CS graduates.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, good for you if you are perfect and there is nothing that distracts you but willpower is a limited resource and self-control consumes that resource. Try it yourself and put something that attracts you in front of you and start working. It will lower your productivity.
Self control can be practiced. Do not blame her for waring a tank top. It's better to try to grow as a person and not remove everything that challenges your personality from your surroundings. Also she has freedom too. A tank top is not out of the ordinary.
If I stop wash and I will smell bad. Should I ask my colleagues to develop self-control and just ignore my smell?
If something is distracting for people around you, it is very selfish to ask them to change.
By distracting things I mean things that are rooted in our biology. Not things that are opinion based.
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#205Definitely not defending Uber here - but does anyone else notice that the people who are complaining are usually the people who don't come from traditional computer science backgrounds? Susan has a Physics degree, and this individual has a psychology degree with a bootcamp past. My experience with bootcamps graduates aren't that great, so maybe there's a chance the managers aren't happy with their performance, hence…
But the recruitment bar for everyone is roughly the same, no? If non-CS graduates generally are worse (which might be true), only the best of them get hired. This only makes sense if interviewers prefer non-CS graduates.
Yes, the hiring bar is the same. But as many of us know, the coding interview can be passed with practice so bad engineers are practically indistinguishable from good engineers with extensive amount of practice. The real issues come from when these bootcamp grads are in the workforce when the problems aren't so black and white.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
What exactly do you mean by "socially prepared for"?
A lot of engineers have never held a position of leadership in any respect. As well, they're stereotypically tech-focused, rather than people-focused. This makes them less prepared for the stress and less in-tune with the emotions of others, i.e socially unprepared to be leaders.
What if it's the opposite? What if they see, much more clearly, that leading other than by doing is a load of BS?
Look up the recent interview with Linus Torvalds.
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#208That's an appalling email. Even if the author has been wronged, I wouldn't expect any good to come out of something like that...
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That's a reasonable accommodation in a high school, where students are expected to have out-of-control hormones and not-fully-developed judgment. In a professional office, if you have a grown-ass adult who is critically distracted by the sight of bare arms, that's their problem, not anyone else's. If they can't manage the barest scraps of self-control, they need to consider a different line of work.
It's not just high school, I'll use professional sports as a quick (but not all-inclusive) example. The Bill Belichick and Nick Saban enforce strict behavior and dress codes for their employees to simply eliminate distractions. Break the rules and they fire you. They're the most successful "mission oriented" teams of the past two decades. Uniforms contribute to the sense of "unity in direction" that the best companie…
> Uniforms contribute to the sense of "unity in direction" that the best companies have. They should be something that you're proud to wear as a signifier of your work, see IBM in the 70s and 80s.
Do people really believe this? Funny, at my workplace, we effectively don't have a dress code (we did have at a point, but nobody really cared much, so it's pretty much dead). But my company is probably very embarrassed if I tell somebody my salary, because it doesn't want me to do it.
So, until I can display my salary proudly, then we can talk about wearing my "uniform" proudly.
"Dress code" is a tool for social control, and people are slowly wisening up to that.
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A tank top doesn't make a woman beautiful. It makes some women more attractive yes. If you are too distracted by it, it's you who are to blame for lack of self control. Find ways around that, it's called character building you'll find it useful in life in general.
Well, good for you if you are perfect and there is nothing that distracts you but willpower is a limited resource and self-control consumes that resource. Try it yourself and put something that attracts you in front of you and start working. It will lower your productivity.
> Try it yourself and put something that attracts you in front of you and start working.
Easy solution. Turn 180 degrees. Ask the coworker you are now facing to change the desk with you. Problem solved.