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How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Post by rorykoehler »

rvdavis wrote: post #192
rorykoehler wrote: post #188

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It's not exactly surprising as right-libertarian is a paradoxical concept. It only works if you're loaded. No actual poor person could possibly ever be considered at liberty seeing as money dictates access.

I would disagree on this point, being a "right"-libertarian from a low-income family, but I will happily concede that this differs from person to person, situation to situation. Libertarianism promotes and empowers the individual over the collective, and most libertarians derive their values from this ideological position. I'm not sure if you are familiar with any libertarians in your personal life, but many are deep…

Disclaimer: Am fairly solidly left-libertarian (the original source of the word)

Collective action is the only thing that can ever empower the individual. We're standing on the soldiers of giants. It's as a collective that humans have developed all the technology that you see. It's thanks to FOSS that I and many HN visitors can earn our livings and contribute further to society. If you want to be egotistical and think you don't exist as part of a complex eco-system that both sustains and enables you through more than just economic exchanges you are free to do so but do expect to be challenged on it frequently. This message was delivered to you via the world wide web after all, which would be impossible in a right-libertarian world.

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Post by mlmlmasd »

Chris2048 wrote: post #181
mlmlmasd wrote: post #148

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You don't get it. Calling them 'liberal premises' makes you look like a dumbass.

I'm a 'dumbass' for even questioning that liberal premises are not in any way political/ideologically motivated beliefs or perspectives, as opposed to facts you must not even be seen to question... ..AKA not drinking the kool-aid. And, as if it need to be said, your insults break HN civility rules.

You still don't get it buddy.

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Post by Anderkent »

Oxitendwe wrote: post #187
Anderkent wrote: post #67

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It's not a complaint about any specific plans he has made, it's a complaint about his general approach to those communities. The risk is not that he'll implement this particular idea , it's that all of his ideas are shaped by his abusive personality.

So, what you're saying is, you have no real evidence that his policies are going to adversely affect any of these groups?

Are you really suggesting that a presidents personality and repeatedly stated disparaging opinions have no impact on his policies?

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

beachstartup wrote: post #142
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #106

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Stephen Bannon stated that having Asian CEOs running 2/3rds of the companies in Silicon Valley was bad for civic society. Are unskilled workers sneaking in from Asia illegally to run Google and Microsoft or are you wrong about whether it's only unskilled, illegal immigrants that are being targetted? (We'll ignore for now the fact that 2/3rds is an incorrect figure, he was presumably intentionally exaggerating to insp…

i'm saying that legal and illegal immigration are two different things. the fact that steve bannon dislikes both types and probably (almost certainly) dislikes non-white people has nothing to do with my point. let's say all your worst fears are true, and bannon secretly is literally hitler. does that change the fact that legal vs. illegal immigrants are different, and should be treated differently, with a different s…

Today's headline:

Two Indian Engineers Shot, One Killed, "Get out my country"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/world/asia/kansas-attack-...

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Post by abandonliberty »

Nomentatus wrote: post #195
abandonliberty wrote: post #164

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This is basic game theory. Organizations and society select for maximization of wealth/power - not ethics, morality, enlightenment, and/or aspirational value of your choice. The problem is simple: Maximize organizational wealth/power given the social, business, and political context. Anyone competing in this system who does not loses to those who do. The current response: Placate the users by agreeing with the issues…

Actually inequality has been shown to reduce a society's overall wealth and power by stifling growth. Banana Republics aren't renowned for accomplishing much.

>society's overall wealth and power

Your response demonstrates a lack of understanding. Identify those trying to maximize this in a BR and compare to the priority and power of other players.

I would suggest that no one in any significant position of power cares about 'overall wealth and power' - otherwise you'd see a different result.

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Post by Nomentatus »

abandonliberty wrote: post #206
Nomentatus wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually inequality has been shown to reduce a society's overall wealth and power by stifling growth. Banana Republics aren't renowned for accomplishing much.

>society's overall wealth and power Your response demonstrates a lack of understanding. Identify those trying to maximize this in a BR and compare to the priority and power of other players. I would suggest that no one in any significant position of power cares about 'overall wealth and power' - otherwise you'd see a different result.

I think you reversed the meaning of my response. So I'm going to count this as extremely "strenuous agreement."
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