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Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by uabstraction »

nodesocket wrote: post #118
spennant wrote: post #62

Has anyone tried to ignore iOS updates recently?

These are product updates and often times contain security and stability fixes, nobody is trying to trick you here. Apple is proactively trying to keep their users up to date, I see no problems with this.

This is just PR speak to cover for the false dichotomy that you must accept new features (and regressively slower OS upgrades) to receive security updates - or be vulnerable. In reality, Apple could easily back-port security fixes. They are abusing security to force undesired changes to functionality.

Edit: Take a look at how any Stable/LTS Linux disto handles this. If a bunch of hackers can do it on such a diverse software stack, surely the company with the largest cash reserves in the world can figure out how to do it on a software/hardware stack they control completely.

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Post by walterbell »

wernercd wrote: post #175
artursapek wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software updates are the rare case where I can forgive it. It's annoying to have clients actively resisting updates, especially security updates.

Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update 9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update". Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f * you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings. I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

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Post by walterbell »

xigency wrote: post #104
artursapek wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software updates are the rare case where I can forgive it. It's annoying to have clients actively resisting updates, especially security updates.

Hm, iOS 10 seemed more like a feature release than a security one. I've finally stopped getting update notifications after I rolled back my phone. Update: Still getting nuisance notifications.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13120242

Re: Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [video]

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

b1daly wrote: post #184

I've been pondering the recent trend in pop up ads where if you try and dismiss it by clicking the tiny, hard to find, checkbox, and you miss, it will cause it to move. This forces you to actually pay attention, to a degree, to the ad, rather than habitually dismiss it. These are usually found in ads, or notices like the New York Times puts up notifying you there are only so many free articles left. I think of this a…

Some of us always hit back on those pages. No way am I going to read your ad. Try too hard like that, and I will leave the page rather than ever look at it to find the close button.

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Post by msandford »

walterbell wrote: post #202
wernercd wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update 9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update". Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f * you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings. I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.

Gross that you have to go to these lengths, but upvoted for having a solution.

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Post by xster »

aamederen wrote: post #6

This kind of "hall of shame" websites are interesting to me. However, most of the regular users do not know nor care about this stuff. Well, in a semi-ideal world, there would be a comprehensive "hall of shame" database containing the information about the tricks, problems, dark patterns, etc. for all websites. Then, some helper apps or browser extensions could warn us about these issues while a regular user is brows…

One concrete thing I think can be done right now is to make a Chrome extension that audits the current website on the number of dark patterns and visibly surfaces a score for the website so people can flee from them like the plague/websites-with-the-broken-ssl-padlocks. Vote with our wallet.

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

mvid wrote: post #52
jkaptur wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, if they're requiring you to pick 1-5 stars to get the dialog to go away, it must be a custom dialog built by them, right? I bet they take your one star and just hide the dialog, but take people who rate it as 5 stars to the "real" app store rating page.

That is absolutely what happens. So irritated people like me go out of their way to open the app store and review directly.

There's also the brilliant idea that they show a giant "Why?" text box if you rate 1 or 2 stars, so that you type away your frustrations and after sufficiently venting, you do not actually go to the App Store to write that review.

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Post by xbryanx »

Where do we draw the line between "dark patterns" and "smart design?" I feel like the Hacker News community could be advocating for a persuasive pricing page design one day and decrying its dark design pattern the next. The obviously evil patterns are easy to avoid, but it's difficult to distinguish between appropriately persuasive and inappropriately manipulative in the grey-middle.

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Post by Drdrdrq »

abawany wrote: post #103
Loic wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps on Android is massively using dark patterns. If you are on the go and open the app, it requests to enable the location service to continue. The choices are: "Enable location service" or "Cancel". It is phrased in a way that it will not run the app if you tap on "Cancel" but it works perfectly if you select "Cancel". The worse, if you agree, it enables the location service for everything all the time where…

Thank you. This has been going on for a while (as I recall, a Maps update last year first committed this crime - wish I had an apk backup of the prior version). I now use HERE WeGo or OsmAnd (on non-GAPPS devices, from f-droid). While the experience is not nearly as cool, I love the fact that I am not participating in uncontrolled monitoring and unexpected battery drainage.

+1 for OSMand. The app keeps getting better and better, kudos to developers! It might not be as "cool" as G Maps (though I'm not so sure about it), but at least I can take my maps with me everywhere I go. Not to mention the fact that it is not sending my position anywhere.

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Post by snissn »

cle wrote: post #27

One pattern that I consider "dark", but don't see in this list, is using loaded options on a dialog box. One that I often see in apps is like: Rate our app! Those really get under my skin because the developer is clearly trying to play a psychological trick on me, but it's so brazen and obvious that it just pisses me off. And bigger companies do it too (e.g. Google).

Why is that a "dark pattern"? What trick is it trying to pull on you?
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