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Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Post by rhino369 »

Symbiote wrote: post #39
rhino369 wrote: post #15

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You are still using a voting machine, but you've just introduced a shitty paper input that needs to be scanned into the machine. The counting machine is a voting machine. It can be hacked. The only benefit is that you have a paper record that can be corroborated if there is evidence of hacking later. But we could do a printout paper record on voting machines too. You'd be surprised how many of those paper ballots don…

Ballots are counted by hand in the UK. There are pictures and a description here: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-england-32533064

Yikes that is even worse. Hand counts have been shown to be off by 1-2%.

Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

ascotan wrote: post #160
FullMtlAlcoholc wrote: post #149

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I think you're missing the point. Cute and Russia already benefited from the results of this election. A more divided Europe, check? A United States. that is looking to lessen its global role, check. A contentious, divisive circus of an election where a significant number of people have some doubts on the results, check. A splintering EU, check. A less unified NATO alliance with a weaker US role, under even more thre…

Trump hasn't even taken office yet so no blame can really be tied to him just yet. He's said quite a few silly things so far, but hasn't yet done any real damage. Most of the hysteria is being generated by the 24 cable news channels. I can't turn on CNN without another Trump-o-phobia headline on the screen. To be fair NATO/Europe have been having issues during the Obama administration. Brexit is just a symptom of a l…

> As for Assad, it's hard to see how a person responsible for the deaths of over 300K of his own people could ever really hold on to power with or without foreign support. The US has experience in supporting an unpopular foreign leader (south Vietnam) and it didn't go that well.

As I say this with a gut-wrenching knot in my stomach, I prefer him vs the alternative due to recent history. As it is right on the doorstep of Russia and Iran, let them deal with the consequences if they want him in office that badly.

Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Post by cwisecarver »

wcummings wrote: post #166
cwisecarver wrote: post #107

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If we have to use machines why wouldn't we just source two machines from rival vendors. One machine takes the vote from the voter through whatever method, records the vote and prints a receipt that clearly states that voters choices. Machine two reads the receipt in front of the voter and keeps a second tally of votes. The two tallies are then compared at the end of the night.

Where I voted (Massachusetts) you voted with a paper ballot, then watched a poll worker feed it into a machine which recorded it.

Same in VA but the machine in no way indicates that it read it correctly.

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Post by jacobush »

rounce wrote: post #169
joncrocks wrote: post #51

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There was a fairly well publicised incident in Tower Hamlets (part of London) where a local mayoral election was declared void for reasons including "Voting fraud: ballots were double-cast or cast from false addresses" [1] [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648 Was this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutfur_Rahman_(politician)#Fal...

The whole Luftur Rahman BS is (I think) more to do with the fact that he's a totally dodgy c&nt (as are quite possibly some of his close associates - juicy 'gossip' in Private Eye), not his ethnic or religious background. The long line of DodgyC&nts™ at TH has yet to be broken, even going back to "The-Good-Old-Days".

Haha, keeping with tradition then. The conservative choice: a Dodgy C&nt. :)

Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Post by jacobush »

tedunangst wrote: post #153
BoorishBears wrote: post #85

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It kind of makes sense to me, I think the poster is trying to say Clinton buys votes but in a way we prefer/tolerate. That way being "walking around money" in the sense of mingling with wealthy people at expensive events funded by other wealthy people in an attempt gain favor (and votes) from the people who can afford those events. I think it's being purposely dramatic, but the English (kind of) adds up.

That's not walking around money.

Walking amongst money?

Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine

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Post by jacobush »

extra88 wrote: post #55
Zombieball wrote: post #33

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A former co-worker of mine wrote software for voting machines in Brazil. He described to me a few reasons why electronic voting machines are important. To be honest I forget the majority, but one story that stuck with me: One common scheme electronic voting machines help prevent is forced votes. A bad guy gets their hand on a single empty ballot and writes the name of the candidate he wants to win on it. He then come…

Voter coercion is something to be concerned about but the scenario you describe won't keep me up at night. The number one problem is it's hard to scale up to a level that would actually sway an election. It only takes one hero to call the police while they're at the polling station or after their family is released and the sequence is broken. There's no need for the victim to actually submit the pre-filled ballot, th…

Depends, different places have different problems. Consider: it only takes one hero to call the police, get beaten to a pulp by the responding LEO, for the chain to continue. Depends who is friends with who and how "civilized" the corruption is.

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Post by pvaldes »

grzm wrote: post #198
ThomPete wrote: post #197

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Thats not what we are talking about at all. You need access to these machines somehow it's not about classifying people it's about getting access to the ballot machines and altering them or their results. Quite a different task.

I think your parent was implying that some sort of classification would be used to predict where the vote would likely be close, so you would know which precincts to target. As I'm not the poster, this is just speculation of course, and can be worth the electrons used to transmit the comment :)

Yep, that was the idea.
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