Someone give the people at Microsoft PR a raise: they are taking great advantage of Apple's (hopefully) momentary weakness. Bravo!
Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#202Lot of people in this thread crapping on Microsoft. I don't know that Microsoft is more brave or more innovative than Apple yet, but I know one thing, they are more brave and innovative than Microsoft five years ago. That's all that matters. While I'm sure the grand plan is to eat Apple's lunch, they seem more focused on being better than themselves. I think they are onto something with the Surface line, they just ne…
To me, its different philosophy, I never consider Apple very innovative technically. they have always been (even with jobs) more innovative on product strategy and marketing. Iphone wasnt the first of its kind, nor its Ipod. However, They have always choose the correct package for a stable technology that fits the mass. Buying Iphone, Ipod, IMac, or air its more of a fashion statement than a Technical one, and coding…
I would also like to add, Microsoft are and had been innovative, they may not making some digital woman who you could talk to on the phone, but how to make OS more efficient and take the advantage on all the new hardware, how to fit windows this giant monsters on all the new hardware, in itself is pretty amazing.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#203Lot of people in this thread crapping on Microsoft. I don't know that Microsoft is more brave or more innovative than Apple yet, but I know one thing, they are more brave and innovative than Microsoft five years ago. That's all that matters. While I'm sure the grand plan is to eat Apple's lunch, they seem more focused on being better than themselves. I think they are onto something with the Surface line, they just ne…
> I have a MacBook now, but I'd love to go to a Surface Studio. If they can work to get up-to-date hardware in all of their offerings ... The problem isn't so much the hardware but the OS. I have awful memories of Windows. I suppose it has gotten better, but I wonder if it's a realistic replacement to Mac OS X? Essentially, I want something that just works and where I can use common unix tools. Maybe the new Unix sub…
> that just works
To me that is a very tired phrase for Apple users. I don't begrudge anyone's preferences, until they force everyone else to jump through hurdles to get their machine to work the company's network and technology stack. I see IT guys almost every day being absorbed by people who claim to be more productive on their Mac. Every OS seems to work as well as the person using it. I prefer Linux on my Chromebook, but I don't expect hand-holding, and will break out the Dell when needed.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#204Apple has for a very long time been a marketing and branding innovator. Jobs recognized something important: branding and marketing matters more than technology, but the technology has to be good enough to support the branding and marketing efforts. So he took the company in a direction that was quite clever: wait until the tech was good enough to wrap in a marketable package, then blitz the market with it suggesting they'd been the technology driver the entire time.
It has worked fabulously. Just look at the number of people who think Apple innovated computing at any level: from portable music to smart phones to displays and on and on. These days you're a "tech geek" if you have a couple of Apple devices in your kit. This phenomenon has almost nothing to do with innovation in technology but quite a lot with their marketing efforts to present themselves as fashionable technology innovators.
In the last 20 years or so there aren't very many technologies Apple has actually innovated on that didn't already exist in some form or another, just without the Apple Marketing Magic behind it.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#205Lot of people in this thread crapping on Microsoft. I don't know that Microsoft is more brave or more innovative than Apple yet, but I know one thing, they are more brave and innovative than Microsoft five years ago. That's all that matters. While I'm sure the grand plan is to eat Apple's lunch, they seem more focused on being better than themselves. I think they are onto something with the Surface line, they just ne…
To me, its different philosophy, I never consider Apple very innovative technically. they have always been (even with jobs) more innovative on product strategy and marketing. Iphone wasnt the first of its kind, nor its Ipod. However, They have always choose the correct package for a stable technology that fits the mass. Buying Iphone, Ipod, IMac, or air its more of a fashion statement than a Technical one, and coding…
Surface is a bigger innovation than anything Apple has released in the last half-decade in virtually all aspects.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#206Lot of people in this thread crapping on Microsoft. I don't know that Microsoft is more brave or more innovative than Apple yet, but I know one thing, they are more brave and innovative than Microsoft five years ago. That's all that matters. While I'm sure the grand plan is to eat Apple's lunch, they seem more focused on being better than themselves. I think they are onto something with the Surface line, they just ne…
The telemetry data will continue to harm them so long as it's a mystery. They need to say what's in it. Maybe one of the EU data protection commissioners or an alert PCI-DSS auditor will ask the right question with legal force.
> They need to say what's in it.
Microsoft have...
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/con...
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/charlesa_us/2016/05/02/c...
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#207Lot of people in this thread crapping on Microsoft. I don't know that Microsoft is more brave or more innovative than Apple yet, but I know one thing, they are more brave and innovative than Microsoft five years ago. That's all that matters. While I'm sure the grand plan is to eat Apple's lunch, they seem more focused on being better than themselves. I think they are onto something with the Surface line, they just ne…
To me, its different philosophy, I never consider Apple very innovative technically. they have always been (even with jobs) more innovative on product strategy and marketing. Iphone wasnt the first of its kind, nor its Ipod. However, They have always choose the correct package for a stable technology that fits the mass. Buying Iphone, Ipod, IMac, or air its more of a fashion statement than a Technical one, and coding…
> Apple product arent your typical computer science, nerds with no art back ground kind of coder
The art background comment is funny. I don't really know what all my colleagues studied in school, half of them probably don't remember. But I work with a lot of backend distributed systems people, very little visual UI type work. Most of us use macs because of unix. And that's important because we deploy to Linux. While not the same exactly, it's close enough to build comparable tools between both.
Apple has hands down, the best portable Unix on the market. They should play to that audience more, rather than just a side note.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Every one of the big 5 could spend a couple billion to win a market. I promise you that Microsoft would happily dump a couple billion into the phone market to own it. Microsoft paid 7.2 billion just for Nokia, not counting the likely billions poured into the Windows Phone OS itself. Disclosure: Microsoft employee
I'm not explaining myself well. Consider fencing vs. sword fighting. In fencing, my goal is to turn on a little light when i touch your body with my epee. In sword fighting, my goal is to kill you. it's a gruesome analogy, and hard to really crystalize. The big 5 have something to lose. They fence. The little guy is sword fighting. Did you ever really feel like Microsoft would go out of business because they lost the…
> The big 5 have something to lose. They fence. The little guy is sword fighting.
This isn't just you not explaining yourself well. This is an entirely different claim. Your first claim was that the big companies "are incapable of risking losing billions on an idea" which is patently untrue.
This claim isn't as clearly untrue. It's just not meaningful. If you need billions to win, then the "little guy" need not apply. If only big players can afford to compete, then that's who will compete.
For the record, Nokia and BlackBerry and a number of other phone companies got to the point that they had nothing to lose, dumped in billions, and still lost the market. I think you vastly underestimate the difficulty of taking a major market from an established player.
> There is an umami to sword fighting. There's this whole other flavor that's hard to describe, unless you've tasted it. I know, it's kind of a bullshit argument.
Yes, that is a bullshit argument, partly because it's the whole "you couldn't possibly understand" thing that is in general a bad argument, but mostly because this claim means that you've been in a sword fight and literally hacked someone to death. I find this hard to believe.
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, its different philosophy, I never consider Apple very innovative technically. they have always been (even with jobs) more innovative on product strategy and marketing. Iphone wasnt the first of its kind, nor its Ipod. However, They have always choose the correct package for a stable technology that fits the mass. Buying Iphone, Ipod, IMac, or air its more of a fashion statement than a Technical one, and coding…
I would also like to add, Microsoft are and had been innovative, they may not making some digital woman who you could talk to on the phone, but how to make OS more efficient and take the advantage on all the new hardware, how to fit windows this giant monsters on all the new hardware, in itself is pretty amazing.
> Windows this giant monstwe
Yeah. Honestly, I don't want Windows. What I want is a really solid durable hardware platform for running Unix. One day maybe I will try a surface with Linux, I wonder if MS has crippled that or not. Anyone know?
Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Steve Jobs was just much better at having many of those failures never see the light of day. Not even that. A lot of his failures saw the light of day, we have just forgotten about them. The same we will do with the current ones. This, BTW, applies to all companies. To reach this point the Surface line has gone through a lot of mediocre products and bad decisions, we just don't think about them anymore. And Windows…
Ah, if only that worked for OSS stuff like Gnome.
OSS runs by different rules. It's more about how many Devs can you attract you your project. The number of users is less important in a sense, though that usually has an effect on the number of Devs contributing to a project.
So Gnome and KDE need more Devs to become better, and people only have so much spare time, which is why having corporate backers is also critical to projects.