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Post by ToastyMallows »

dingo_bat wrote: post #140
ToastyMallows wrote: post #85

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This also struck me. I was surprised that they picked WWE of all things, you would think that video would be region locked and thus not available outside of the US, like a lot of things are.

I'm in India. I searched "wwe". Tons of videos. No evidence of region blocking or as another person said "premium content". Have a look: http://imgur.com/8xgmnDq Maybe they are premium content in US but free here.

Thanks for the fact check! I'm glad that they're not region locked, but I know that a TON of stuff is.

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

angry-hacker wrote: post #191
MichaelBurge wrote: post #190

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Why is it hypocritical to cut a deal with certain important clients? Even Stallman recommends selling license exceptions to GPL'd code. Generally speaking, any startup on this site will give preferential treatment to a $50,000/month customer than to a $5/month customer. Even your bank will treat you differently if you want to open an account with a deposit of $2 million than if you want to deposit $25. I don't think…

I understand how world and business work, no problem. I just lined out this is the reason they claim for banning those YT accounts from revenue. I have personally no problem understanding it, but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical. The same with Google best the practices on showing content first, ads after, same time their search is covered with ads and the content is below fold.

...and the same with google heavily advocating web standards, while breaking their website for firefox users for the 16th time.

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Post by ksk »

lotso wrote: post #119
ksk wrote: post #92

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http://www.youtubego.com/signup/ None of these changes seem to be fundamental to me. They seem like trivial changes you expect in an incremental version update.

There's probably a lot more changes than you realize. I can only assume given your comments you've never worked on problems like this. There's so many benefits you can get from writing an app specifically for low-end Android devices with poor data connectivity.

>There's probably a lot more changes than you realize.

Do you know what those are or did you just assume that because its Google and so "there must be reason"?

> I can only assume given your comments you've never worked on problems like this.

You may assume it. The alternative explanation is I don't think its all that hard because its not all that hard.

> There's so many benefits you can get from writing an app specifically for low-end Android devices with poor data connectivity.

IMO, all that should be part of the base app. If your app can't handle different workloads (especially as basic as intermittent network connectivity for a video streaming application), its pretty much a huge design fail there.

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

Ph0X wrote: post #195
lmm wrote: post #179

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Advertisers will pay them more money if they can be confident their adverts won't be placed on videos where they would negatively impact the advertiser's brand.

So you're telling me that this probably significant percentage of Youtube creators whose videos fully adhere to the rules and have never had any problems could potentially gain a lot more money for their hard work if these few rare cases decides to clean up their videos a bit to follow rules that have been there for years and that they've agreed to when signing up? Sounds like a fantastic deal to me, and I don't see…

This time, you make a valid point, although I'm still not sure if you really understand the landscape.

The problem is, it's more than just a few rare cases: everyone from VEVO, to tiny channels, to the biggest channels on youtube, have been breaking these rules for years. And even if they don't think they have been, you can probably find violating content somewhere on the channel if you look hard enough, because the new rules are pretty broad. And the fact that the rules aren't being enforced equally makes it all the more BS, even if it's YouTube's prerogative to do so anyways.

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Post by ksk »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #103
ksk wrote: post #47

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I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

I get the impression you haven't tried to refactor a large code base to change core functionality before. Any system architecture is built with, inevitably, certain assumptions on how the data is going to come through the app and where it's going to come from. Something as low-level as the source of video files in an app that is no doubt optimized for that is undoubtedly a fundamental change, and one that is going to…

Your impression notwithstanding, the fact is that dozens of applications already exist that can play network streams, play files from your hdd, and even record streams to your hard disk (VLC for one), means that its a known solved problem. If, as you say, a video streaming app, at its core, cannot handle something so basic as saving the stream to disk, or playing the video from disk, then I would count that as a major design failure.

Also I don't get where the "undoubtedly", "fundamental change", "going to be easier to X" comes from. What is your basis for those statements?

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Post by exolymph »

ki85squared wrote: post #71
exolymph wrote: post #55

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Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.

While I agree, renting access often comes with the trade-off of losing control of your content. Netflix's content licensing agreements are finite, and your favorite movie or show could be gone next week. When you own the files, you own them for however long you desire.

True, there are always tradeoffs. This particular tradeoff doesn't bother me because I can always get a copy of a particular file if I need to, e.g. if Netflix pulls down a show I like.

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Post by sergiotapia »

personjerry wrote: post #184
gue5t wrote: post #153

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mpv is the gold standard in video players. I use both constantly.

What's the difference between mpv and vlc?

`mpv movie.mp4` and boom - you're watching the video with no cruft. Not rebuilding font database and other bullshit you don't care about. It runs really well on older hardware.

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Post by Nadya »

personjerry wrote: post #184
gue5t wrote: post #153

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mpv is the gold standard in video players. I use both constantly.

What's the difference between mpv and vlc?

In addition to what others have already said, VLC also has a bug with certain graphics cards (I want to say Nvidia?) - resulting in washed out/off-color video. It can be "fixed" with great-but-not-quite-perfect accuracy [0].

[0] https://wiki.videolan.org/VSG:Video:Color_washed_out/

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Post by Nadya »

tripzilch wrote: post #197
personjerry wrote: post #184

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What's the difference between mpv and vlc?

It has better performance on my old laptop, especially when I hook it up to a 1080p screen. Seeking is more instant. It starts much quicker. It's more minimal in the interface (basically full-screen with a bunch of kbd shortcuts) but has all the features I need (including playback speed), and even some that are not in VLC--for instance, VLC has a key to advance 1 frame ('e', IIRC) and mpv can step both ways (with ','…

>mpv immediately exits when the video is finished playing which is actually nice sometimes, but also can be annoying if you wanted to rewind the last 10 seconds or something or if you seek forward too quickly (maybe mpv has a setting for this though).

There is a setting for this called "After Playback". By default it is "close" but you can also "play next" (video in the folder, useful if shows are organized by folder and by episode) and other options, including "do nothing" or "play from beginning".

I'm at work so don't remember exactly where to change this setting.

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Post by angry-hacker »

flashman wrote: post #152
angry-hacker wrote: post #115

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That always amazes me how pop music passes it. Search for rap song Coco. It's about being love with cocaine and violence and it shows me Kia car ads with families before the video. And some semi amateur authors who TALKED about true crime events were banned from the YouTube adsense partnership.

I don't see that as inconsistent. The term is 'advertiser friendly'. Plenty of advertisers are happy to be associated with popular artists because their popularity gives the advertiser cover. Equally, they might not want to be associated with a small-time true crime channel.

If I use Google display network to show my ads, there is no category to exclude videos promoting violence and gang life. There is no way I can exclude that specific video.
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