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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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There's the Epson Eco-Tank series. Ink is in four bottles at the side of the machine, good for about 4000-6000 pages. Refill with Epson ink bottles or (a bit more messily) from bulk ink. The printer costs about $279. You do have to clean the print heads occasionally. That's the price of long life print heads.

Even brother is joining in the refillable tank brigade. No need to get a cartridge based printer in 2016 :)

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How I get screwed: My HP printer will occasionally print a black-and-white page using all three colors of ink. Discovered this one day when I rubbed a fresh page and it smeared three colors. They call it 'wear leveling' or something. But we all know it means 'using up your expensive color ink instead of your cheap black ink'. What a crock.

This should be an option, so that if your black ink has run out but your color ink hasn't, you can print something without having to go buy more ink. But as a default I agree it shouldn't do this.

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How I get screwed: My HP printer will occasionally print a black-and-white page using all three colors of ink. Discovered this one day when I rubbed a fresh page and it smeared three colors. They call it 'wear leveling' or something. But we all know it means 'using up your expensive color ink instead of your cheap black ink'. What a crock.

That's why my HP printer only has a black cartridge. The socket for the color cartridge is empty.

Yeah the problem is that some of them don't allow you to do this anymore.

Overall I've started to buy B&W only laser printers and I buy a new printer when the toner runs out.

You can find Samsung entry level laser printers with a toner good for 300-500 pages on Amazon for about 30£ on sale that's cheaper than buying a toner.

1st world problems for sure but this is beyond stupid.

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How is this legal? As a side note, HP sells a (vintage) 256 MB DDR2 RAM module for $600 (USD) for it's new printers.

Big companies can get away with all kinds of "fecal production" in the US. We're not yet China or Mexico, but we sure as hell ain't the EU, either.

All your legislative bases are belong to us, or some such rot.

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Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Yes. I was deploying our system in a physician's clinic when their HP printer suddenly refused to print with a cryptic error, even after all the toner was replaced it refused. Only when I stepped in & suggested they buy the brand name ink did things get resolved. Lucky for the busy clinic, they only had 1 HP printer.

I hope HP faces some major lawsuits over this.

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Stop buying dirt-cheap printers that are sold at a loss. These are designed to be paid off by expensive toner / ink. These are designed to make you waste the supplies if you don't use them up fast enough. They are designed to reject third-party cheaper supplies. Pay a couple hundred more upfront for a no-bullshit device. I hope those still exist.

I bought a cheap no branded Chinese black and white only laser printer for $15. Best printer I've ever owned. It just... Prints! The firmware is totally unobtrusive and no problems with non branded toner. It prints whatever I ask it to print and that's it!

Unless you are running a business a couple hundred dollars is way too much to pay for printing once in a while. A consumer printer should not cost hundreds of dollars.

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The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review". And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print. One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them." I know fo…

Nobody should review a product with which they do not have personal experience, even if the website isn't verifying purchases. If reviews are to be useful they must not be subject to crowd mentalities. They should be limited to actual users. We are free to scream about how what they are doing is evil, and get that to the top of google, but I would never submit a review of a product that I do not have hands on. The only honest 'review' is to not purchase the product.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Inkjets are smaller than lasers. Cheap inkjets are cheaper than cheap lasers.

Price per page doesn't really matter when pages per year is less than 100.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Somebody mentioned Brother printers elsewhere.

I replaced my HP laser with a Brother laser a while back (just printing "stuff", not photos)

I replaced my black cart on the HP (2600n) with a 3rd party product, and got away with it. However, when I replaced the color carts (one ran out), which I was forced to, since it wouldn't print B&W at all otherwise, the printer detected the alien carts, and immediately refused to clean itself or something - I started getting black streaks on my black text, even though the black cart worked just fine for months the day before.

Bye bye, HP, you ain't what you used to be.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of business model- leasing- is pretty common with copiers/printers already.

Yes, but that's the opposite end of the market (e.g. industrial pronting, very large size or volume). I am wondering if there is something in the middle.

Photocopier/Printer leasing is common for small and medium sized businesses too. If you google for photocopier leasing you'll find a huge number of options.
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