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The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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post #144

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Double click the title bar then. Still, the maximization in macOS is plainly stupid, as it frequently doesn't do the expected maximization.

> Double click the title bar then. That's hardly discoverable though.

In fairness, it's a standard behaviour across several OSes.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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My wife wants a Mac. She's a teacher and uses it mostly to write documents, watch movies, and read PDFs. Would an Air be good enough for her?

It sounds like an Air would be fine, but she might want to also consider a Chromebook.

Thanks, hadn't thought of that. She actually has a Nexus and isn't really tied into the Apple ecosystem so this might actually be a good idea

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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I totally agree with the author, in fact much of the hidden functionalities in apps that use to exist is also gone. For instance in earlier versions of previes you could join multiple pdfs into one single pdf by dragging the pdfs into thumbnail preview panel. Now that functionality simply doesn't exist, it seems like they (Apple) have done a rewrite of so many Apps, that they missed out on smaller details.

This is my biggest frustration with OS X these days. They're working so hard to add marginally useful consumer crap like native maps that the power user functionality that attracted me to the platform in the first place is suffering badly. The mail app in particular has gone from nearly-perfect (for my use case) to unusably broken in a dozen obvious ways.

Microsoft has clearly identified this weakness as well. It's no coincidence the bash prompt has suddenly become available in windows...

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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While a streamlining of UI elements is not necessarily a bad thing (especially as the meaning of metaphors sink into the general public's consciousness), I have noticed that it takes me longer to find and converge to the right app icons on the dock & app switcher.

It seems the general trend regarding logos is "blobs of color in some abstract pattern". And those that still depict some meaning end up blending in, by adopting the same approach of using multiple sturated primary colors. Maybe it's just me but visually, they all register the same in my brain and I need to take a second look to tell them apart. And if I need to take a second look, the whole advantage of an icon vs. a keyword is lost.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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In my opinion, this article focuses on all the wrong things. Things that matter in OSX to me - and why I continue to choose it as my most basic tool for work - are: - exceptional workspaces and swipe navigation - the safety of time machine backups - for the most part things are very fast and the OS gets out of the way of what I am trying to do - I have not wasted any time on hardware/OS compatibility issues - I only reboot every few months, if that - battery life is excellent (os is not a hog)

Quite honesty I could give a shit what the icons look like as long as the OS is a reliable and fast tool to do my work. time machine saves your ass, who cares that the icon doesn't meet your tastes.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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Note: This is my personal opinion! I recently had to use a computer with OS X Mavericks on it (10.9 I think). I was struck by how beautiful the interface was. I'm having trouble finding a good screenshot illustrating this, but compare http://content.gcflearnfree.org/topics/243/2013_new_desktop.... http://download.softwsp.com/sites/12/2015/11/os-x-el-capitan... Everything just looks better on Mavericks. The gradients…

Certainly beautiful but the problem is: on the dock, the stuff between Safari and Photos are indistinguishable at first sight. If I used that, I'd have to hover on some of them to pick Pages, or Notes, or Contacts among them.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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post #140

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Indeed, icons are unnecessary. They're there to fill space with colors, which people like. Full = good. Color = happy. good + happy = sales.

It's quicker to glance at icons and spot the app right away than not read each and every item in a list.

Anyway, I think the idea is to get some visual cue that you're about to tap the right icon. You know where you put your apps on your home screen, so the colors or wahtever lead you there faster. And the icon provides a large touch target.

Going back to the original article, it doesn't really matter what the icon looks like, as long as it's unique. You're not looking at each icon and asking yourself "is this a camera?" to get to the Photos app. You know it's a circular array of colors, and your finger goes there.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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post #28

This article doesn't make any sense. The use of metaphors worked when people didn't know what a computer was, and the only way to make its UI make sense was to mimic real-world objects. Now, this is no longer necessary. It's been 40 years. While I agree that new macOS icons aren't great (see the Game Center icon), the old ones were silly. I'm 35 and I have probably seen an actual contact book only once when I was lit…

From what I remember the address bar change was for a very good reason to do with protecting the user from phishing etc.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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For me, the biggest issue with the past 2 or 3 OS X updates hasn't been the interface at all. I can get used to a new interface, that's not a problem.

The real problem (imo) is the lack of meaningful updates to the OS. EVERYTHING is an aesthetic change, or some new Siri or iPhone integration. Does anyone actually start an email on their phone and finish it on their desktop? Anyone?

Where's updates like better window management? How is it 2016 and I still don't have window tiling on a 4k (5k?) iMac? Apple is busy repainting their bedroom varying shades of grey while Windows puts out integrated linux and bash, improved window snapping, openssh integration, etc.

Re: The Apple Goes Mushy Part I: OS X's Interface Decline

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post #39

OS X looks better than ever. Yeah I agree with Notepad and Photos icons looking not good but everything else is perfect. I'm typing this on an OSX right now and it just looks great. Worst part of the article by far was > OS X packaging, once very elegant and eccentric (and printed on a physical box), has become thoroughly unremarkable. This is 2016, no one uses CD's anymore. And that leopard print box design looks li…

Generally I think OSX looks great but the icons (Safari, FaceTime, Photos) look woefully under-designed, especially compared to the other software installed on my computer.
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