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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by TrevorJ »

pizzachef2 wrote: post #50
reitanqild wrote: post #32

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Sad to say, but yes, also on my professional edition I think. (A "recommended apps" ad in the start menu.)

You can turn those off.

Why should I have to spend any of my time on that shit instead of doing the work I have to do? I'm not a set of eyeballs for MS to sell. That shit might fly on Facebook or other free services, but the OS is a productivity enabler and that is all. The minute it actively tries to get in the way of my productivity in an effort to turn me into a product, I'm done with it.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by pritambaral »

Mithaldu wrote: post #164
asimuvPR wrote: post #83

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I believe it also upgrades itself. Not sure. I really don't want to risk it because it could brick t he car's ecu (not cheap).

Welcome to being a victim of sensational misreporting. Win7 does not upgrade itself randomly or without telling you. It will schedule an upgrade, then tell you about it and give you a chance to cancel it beforehand. And using something like https://www.grc.com/never10.htm you can also disable the scheduling.

> Win7 does not upgrade itself randomly or without telling you. It will schedule an upgrade, then tell you about it and give you a chance to cancel it beforehand

Technicaly true.

Practically, it will sneakily get a human to eventually let the upgrade in. Just as we've been seeing all around.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

5ilv3r wrote: post #166
CamperBob2 wrote: post #153

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Really? I don't see a lot of people running Windows 95 or Windows NT. The lesson Microsoft should have learned is that if they come out with a genuinely-improved version of Windows, the user base will adopt it in good time without being herded like sheep.

My father told me a computer that I built for one of his customers running windows 95 almost 20 years ago is still running and being used daily. I don't think they would like windows 10. :p

That computer is probably pretty secure, too, because sometimes security by obscurity really does work.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by dang »

frik wrote: post #195
Reese1379 wrote: post #55

This has to be the only tech site where a suggestion to use Linux results in a down vote.

MS kind of infiltrated HN in 2015, visible to HN users during the Build 2015 conference in early 2015. Coincidentally Microsoft and Y Combinator formed a partnership, https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/stevengu/2015/02/09/y-combi... and somewhere I read that they formed a joint venture (but I haven't found the source again). In 2015 a lot of new (green) sock puppet and corporate accounts appeared that down vote comment…

Microsoft has no special status on Hacker News. It's true that HN sees a flurry of MS stories on their big conference day, but it's also true of Google, Apple, and Amazon's annual conference days, and maybe others. That's how they all like to do their big tech announcements. Each time it happens, people complain that HN has fallen into the clutches of MS|Google|Apple|Amazon, but nothing has changed at our end. Actually we raise the bar a bit on those days so that only 3 or 4 such stories stay on the front page instead of 7 or 8. They'd probably get more attention overall if they staggered their releases through the year.

There have been a lot of unfavorable stories about MS on HN, including recently. We don't do anything special to penalize them, nor do we let users abuse flagging in the way you suggest. In fact the Windows 10 update nagware saga has appeared numerous times on HN's front page, including multiple stories about clicking 'x' on the dialog box, how it screwed some African satellite operators, etc. The current one fell suddenly off the front page because of software (it set off the flamewar detector).

If MS "infiltrated" HN, it's news to me and I'd like to know about it. It's our job to protect the integrity of this place for the community and we take it seriously. When we see gaming and manipulation we crack down on it hard. But actually the BigCos aren't the ones who do such things. They're (rightly) too risk-averse.

If you think you see evidence of manipulation you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com. When we get emails like that we always look into it.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by 5ilv3r »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #203
5ilv3r wrote: post #166

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My father told me a computer that I built for one of his customers running windows 95 almost 20 years ago is still running and being used daily. I don't think they would like windows 10. :p

That computer is probably pretty secure, too, because sometimes security by obscurity really does work.

That doesn't apply here. Obscurity and obsolescence are different. It's a totally normal 486. Nothing weird about it.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by ksk »

hendersoon wrote: post #103
ksk wrote: post #31

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>The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no. Yeah, and then it asks again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.. and again....

No, it doesn't. I'm running iOS 9.0 on my iPhone, because that's the last jailbroken version. My phone NEVER nags me to upgrade. NEVER. Now if I plug it into my computer and run iTunes, iTunes does ask. But I don't do that very often, as there's no reason to plug your phone into a computer these days.

I don't believe a single word you said, and neither does anyone else.

[These links are for others viewing this thread, who don't have iPhones and haven't seen it]

http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/04/stop-ios-software-update-noti...

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/209498/is-there-a-w...

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Post by frik »

dang wrote: post #204
frik wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS kind of infiltrated HN in 2015, visible to HN users during the Build 2015 conference in early 2015. Coincidentally Microsoft and Y Combinator formed a partnership, https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/stevengu/2015/02/09/y-combi... and somewhere I read that they formed a joint venture (but I haven't found the source again). In 2015 a lot of new (green) sock puppet and corporate accounts appeared that down vote comment…

Microsoft has no special status on Hacker News. It's true that HN sees a flurry of MS stories on their big conference day, but it's also true of Google, Apple, and Amazon's annual conference days, and maybe others. That's how they all like to do their big tech announcements. Each time it happens, people complain that HN has fallen into the clutches of MS|Google|Apple|Amazon, but nothing has changed at our end. Actual…

Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845741

This MS story from today also vanished from the frontpage quickly.

I contacted HN (you), I highlighted several vanished posts. You mentioned you see no pattern or unusual activities.

Also this one vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11846199

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Post by bluthru »

comex wrote: post #34
bluthru wrote: post #26

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https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/disable-automatic-app-updates-m...

Note that that's for OS X. iOS, for what it's worth, will always check for and download OS updates when certain conditions apply (connected to Wi-Fi and power), with no way to disable it short of DNS hacks - which is obnoxious. All you can do is delete already downloaded updates. And if you ever go through with the update, it's impossible to downgrade: the bootloader forbids it. Both of these are far worse than Windo…

I was comparing a desktop OS (Win 10) to a desktop OS (OS X).

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by dang »

frik wrote: post #207
dang wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has no special status on Hacker News. It's true that HN sees a flurry of MS stories on their big conference day, but it's also true of Google, Apple, and Amazon's annual conference days, and maybe others. That's how they all like to do their big tech announcements. Each time it happens, people complain that HN has fallen into the clutches of MS|Google|Apple|Amazon, but nothing has changed at our end. Actual…

Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845741 This MS story from today also vanished from the frontpage quickly. I contacted HN (you), I highlighted several vanished posts. You mentioned you see no pattern or unusual activities. Also this one vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11846199

Those stories fell off the front page because of software that penalizes overheated threads, which tend to be shallow and sensational. That software has been running for years.

Even if an automatic penalty hadn't kicked in, moderators would have penalized that first link (even if we personally agree with what it says). First, it's a duplicate that adds no new information over previous incarnations of the story (which have already appeared more than once on the front page, already an indulgence and certainly not a pro-MS one). Second, it's a garden-variety riler-upper, and those aren't a good fit for HN, as should be well known by now.

None of these mechanisms has anything to do with Microsoft. I'm pretty sure that the bias you're arguing for doesn't exist at our end. How sure are you that you're not simply noticing things because they fit your interpretation?

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Post by comex »

bluthru wrote: post #208
comex wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that that's for OS X. iOS, for what it's worth, will always check for and download OS updates when certain conditions apply (connected to Wi-Fi and power), with no way to disable it short of DNS hacks - which is obnoxious. All you can do is delete already downloaded updates. And if you ever go through with the update, it's impossible to downgrade: the bootloader forbids it. Both of these are far worse than Windo…

I was comparing a desktop OS (Win 10) to a desktop OS (OS X).

Fair enough, few would buy an iPhone instead of a PC. But I consider anti-consumer behavior partially a question of ethics, not just a factor in practical buying choices; and I don't think there is a good reason to have different ethical standards for, or generally to separate in such considerations, desktop and mobile OSes, and in particular reject the idea held by some (maybe not you) that the latter are less important as general computing devices because they're for "content consumption" or whatnot. So when comparing Microsoft's behavior to Apple's, to me all their devices are relevant.
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