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Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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How could it save you money? 18 Trillion is the entire US GDP. It's literally the cost of all our products made annually in the US combined. edit: oops. Its 18 trillion over a decade. So 10% our GDP.

so, 7% less of our gdp than we spend on healthcare right now.

Interesting. Hmm maybe we should look into centrally planning other industries too.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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I know you're being tongue in cheek when you make that comment, but one of the more important realizations a person can make is that their personal opinions are biased. This is however, a completely different question to how correct their opinion is. Judging that is a whole different ball-game.

Do it one better and realize even your own culture is biased and largely arbitrary and then you will really have a broadened POV.

I don't subscribe to the notion that all cultural values are of equal value, or are even worthy of respect.

Just that people tend to not see bias when it agrees with their personal notion of truth.

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Do it one better and realize even your own culture is biased and largely arbitrary and then you will really have a broadened POV.

I don't subscribe to the notion that all cultural values are of equal value, or are even worthy of respect. Just that people tend to not see bias when it agrees with their personal notion of truth.

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Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Do it one better and realize even your own culture is biased and largely arbitrary and then you will really have a broadened POV.

I don't subscribe to the notion that all cultural values are of equal value, or are even worthy of respect. Just that people tend to not see bias when it agrees with their personal notion of truth.

How can you be tolerant of culture without being tolerant of cultural values?

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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I would bet the median taxpayer would see their costs go up. This is likely true, but I also expect it would be worth it in terms of social stability and progress. It's okay if your costs go up if you also get better health and education out of the deal, so earning power also goes up.

Every voter gets to decide if they find that okay. Your opinion isn't really operative.

If you don't agree you're probably ignoring the cost of maintaining social order in some other way.

As for what every voter gets - a pull at a lever with minimal connection to person and no connection to policy.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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I don't subscribe to the notion that all cultural values are of equal value, or are even worthy of respect. Just that people tend to not see bias when it agrees with their personal notion of truth.

How can you be tolerant of culture without being tolerant of cultural values?

I'm not tolerant of a cultural value that virgins should be thrown into volcanos to ensure a good harvest. There are plenty of others I am not tolerant of, as well, such as the cultural value that some groups of people are subhuman.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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This line of argument really needs to be toned down. While it's obviously true that papers like the WSJ, NYT, WashPo, etc. have influential partisan editorial boards, their newsrooms are filled with reporters and editors of various political leanings. More importantly, these reporters are among the best in the country and do their very best to find and report the truth in an unbiased fashion. That's what makes these…

This article turned me off the WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-prop... 18 Trillion -- yikes! It's not until the 5th paragraph that we find out that this includes health insurance and that me and my employer wouldn't have to shell out for that anymore. Does it save me money overall? A question not asked. But they do make a big deal about that number and how alarmed they are at it, even if…

WSJ and their wild speculation about Apple stuff and constantly quoting "sources briefed on the matter" turned me off to them a while back.

But vice/heavy and sometimes wired even still have content that I'd throw $4/mo at.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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> Some of those reporters are contracted to write five or even 10 posts per day. It's not like a NYT or WSJ reporter spending three weeks or three months on one story. Vice doesn't necessarily fall out of that category either. Smack dab in the middle is the statement: "I still had outstanding questions, which I asked Apple ... The company has not yet responded." The number of times I've read a developing story that h…

I wrote this article, I gave Apple 18 hours to respond. The article has now been out for four hours or so, and it's been close to 24 hours since I originally asked them. Apple RARELY responds to press inquiries and the only time it has reliably spoken to the press was during the recent encryption battle and that's because it desperately needed the public to understand its argument. I understand what you're getting at…

Thanks for replying with clarifications for this article. I tried to imply that while I know Apple rarely responds to public or press inquiries, the question still remained on how long has elapsed before the author (you) moves forward with publication, but as a general sense applying whenever the author includes that language, here and on hundreds of other sites and applying not only to Apple, but to any company they are trying to get information and clarification from.

24 hours isn't terribly long, though knowing how fast Apple responds, if you don't get one in 12, then you probably won't get one in 72 either. For other companies though, what is a general grace period before moving forward with publication?

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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so, 7% less of our gdp than we spend on healthcare right now.

Interesting. Hmm maybe we should look into centrally planning other industries too.

I agree. We centrally plan the police, water, electricity, and roads. Health care should be no different.

Re: Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Putting it simply, the amount that you pay would be moved from a line item on your pay slip called "private health insurance" paid to Aetna or whoever, to a line item called "medicare contribution" or "national health service contribution" paid to the IRS. On the back end, rather than Aetna shelling out money to the hospital so that you can get treated for free or cheaply, the government would do so - just like it al…

One thing I haven't seen mentioned: how do you design an organization that manages and efficiently allocates $3-4 trillion in spending across the country? Has it been done before? If so, has such an organization been legislated into existence? Meanwhile, Aetna already insures more people than many countries, so it isn't clear what we'd be getting that we aren't already. I'm curious how single payer will help in the U…

Medicare is actually relatively efficient compared to private insurance companies, and administers a very large amount of healthcare reimbursement.

Insurance is one of the things that a government can be very good at. It's not an area of great innovation, so the benefit of having it be a free market is relatively limited, and negotiation leverage is very important, so size is very beneficial. The natural tendency of the private insurers has been to consolidate and to look more and more like Medicare in terms of size. Except they also have a profit mandate, whereas Medicare doesn't, so they take a percentage of all spending and suck it out of the system. That portion isn't helpful to the users of the system.

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