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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by tobltobs »

ascorbic wrote: post #89
raverbashing wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Local", yes, keep telling yourself that 2nd generation immigrants I'm not against immigration per se, but there's a lot of problems coming from people who fail (because it's mostly their responsibility) to integrate

If they're born in the country and lived there their whole life, they're local by any non-racist definition.

Even if they hate the society they live in, even if they do not accept the laws, even if they do not contribute anything but demand a lot, even if they do not speak the language, even if they raise their kids to become the same religious fags, even if they support people attacking the country where they are "locals"?

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by Bard7 »

grp wrote: post #194
DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

They seek fear, not the maximum number of deaths. Victims are not the goal but a way.

They seek a Bush type response.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by mrblueblue »

compactmani wrote: post #177
eonwe wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only place I've seen some security checks was at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, where there was a mild security check when entering the airport. This consisted of a small interview on what I've been doing in Israel, where I am going to, with whom and who packed my stuff. This all was before even entering the actual terminal building.

I see Europe in the future adopting many of the (some call paranoid) security measure of Israel. For example security checks before entering all malls.

In Paris, there are security checks at entrances to malls and big stores now.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by Majestic121 »

golemotron wrote: post #130
Majestic121 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oversimplification of complex subjects neither leads to useful action nor helps to understand the issue. It is better to stay humble, as the parent comment was.

Dismissal of analysis neither leads to useful action nor helps to understand the issue. Think about it. You owe that to yourself.

It was not an analysis. It might be qualified as the catchphrase for an analysis, at best.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by pif »

rtpg wrote: post #172
DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

A major airport and the entire rail system of the city was shut down. A lot of damage was done. And, of course, a bunch of people died from something not many signed up for. Driving a car at least gives you the opportunity to reject taking on the risk. The fabric of society is based around us not shooting each other/ blowing up trains. Every event like this (or, say, some countries bombing out neighborhoods in other…

> Acknowledging that this happens because of conscious policy decisions by many people is also good.

> We could bring this sort of event down to a number real close to 0.

Please, would you mind elaborating a bit on these two points?

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by mistermann »

ascorbic wrote: post #176
mistermann wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rather disingenuous. They are second generation immigrants of a particular religion that seems to be coincidentally associated time after time in these incidents.

Second generation immigrants don't mean this a problem with immigration. Lots of people like to link this to the current Syrian refugee crisis, but none of them are refugees. If you want to make it about immigration, make it about immigration from France's former colonies in the 1960s and 70s.

> Second generation immigrants don't mean this a problem with immigration

And that they're not first generation immigrants doesn't prove it isn't a problem with immigration either. We are still left with this recurring coincidence aren't we.

I don't claim to know the absolute truth here, I'm just suggesting we honestly acknowledge reality during discussions.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

cavilatrest wrote: post #188
microtonal wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, you cannot protect any place when more than a few people gather. You have to stop the issues at their source: why did people who were born and raised in Europe radicalize in just one or two years? And why did the community they lived in not see or report that this was happening?

While I agree, I think we can admit that doing so will take some time. Would it not be appropriate to have compensating controls in the meantime?

The trouble is, temporary compensating controls have a history of becoming permanent once in place, so you need to be absolutely sure you want those controls forever.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by lowmagnet »

DoubleMalt wrote: post #136

What I find reassuring in the midst of this tragic mayhem however, is how little actual damage the terrorists could do. They had explosives, weapons, the resolve to sacrifice themselves and tried their best to do as much damage as possible. And they managed to to kill less than 30 people (provisional count). Of course every death that brought on by this fanatic mob is too much, but we should keep our perspective. A b…

In the US, from 2013 data[1], I see an average of 89/day, which of course varies due to weather and 'drunken' holidays, I'm sure.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by rawTruthHurts »

Zigurd wrote: post #192
rawTruthHurts wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing terrorist attacks with traffic accidents is quite a display of originality.

A million people worldwide die every year in collisions with cars, half of them pedestrians and cyclists. Millions more are injured. Compared with traffic regulation and enforcement, the response to terrorist events like this are vastly out of proportion, and well into the range of irrational response that the terrorists know is the only way to really damage a large powerful nation - by making it turn on its own peop…

I see there is a real interest in sneaking a completely unrelated subject into the conversation.
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