201–210 of 397 posts
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't it also lack a common, arguably nice, frontend? With integrations to everything under the sun pre-built, requiring no management by the implementers? Built in bouncers, searchable history, etc?
A frontend is actually the one thing it's not lacking. IRCCloud.com supports ircv3 and is a very nice "slacky" UI to IRC.
If only there was a well supported, standard, open and interoperable text messaging protocol (with multiple implementations) that companies could host themselves... Oh wait, IRC.
Doesn't mention IRC, doesn't mention Discord. I'm suspicious that a PR firm pushed this to a journalist.
It's been built: http://matrix.org/
Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's wrong with that? VSCode is also such a thing, high performance and beautiful apps are obviously possible.
That's true, but when you roll a "one size fits all" HTML app across all platforms, it's much much less likely to follow operating system conventions and very easy to get layout details wrong. For example, Hipchat's settings overlay ( https://i.imgur.com/V3UOyMI.png ) which should: • Be a separate window • Be sized properly for its contents instead of having to scroll • Use tabs along the top for the settings categor…
Between phone conferencing, email, and shared desktop video conferencing, I don't get what more is needed in professional contexts. I don't even get IRC or IM. "Chat" is noise and distraction. Write proper emails or arrange phone calls. What exactly are people using slack for? I don't get it.
We need to discuss something visual as a five-person team? A phone conference is the wrong medium.
We need to collaborate on a significant technical document? Slack is the wrong medium.
We need to have a searchable back-and-forth discussion, interleaved with other things that are vying for our attention? We should probably use a chat tool.
It's already here - Bitrix24. Light years ahead of Slack. Free for unlimited users without silly restrictions on search and other crap. And GASP it comes with actual work tools beyond IM.
Between phone conferencing, email, and shared desktop video conferencing, I don't get what more is needed in professional contexts. I don't even get IRC or IM. "Chat" is noise and distraction. Write proper emails or arrange phone calls. What exactly are people using slack for? I don't get it.
They're all different when it comes to communication bandwidth and effectiveness. We need to discuss something visual as a five-person team? A phone conference is the wrong medium. We need to collaborate on a significant technical document? Slack is the wrong medium. We need to have a searchable back-and-forth discussion, interleaved with other things that are vying for our attention? We should probably use a chat to…
This is email.
> We need to discuss something visual as a five-person team? A phone conference is the wrong medium.
Shared desktop conference, such as gotomeeting.
For talking about a race, Wired seems to have neglected a crucial technology: ircv3[1]. I'm not very fond of IRCv2, and have moved away from it where I previously used IRC. But IRC is popular, has a lot of clients, and v3 has a lot of promise. Why didn't the author bother to mention it? [1]: http://ircv3.net/
A hundred different chat systems mentioned here. None of them compatible with one another. Well, I guess a couple of them have IRC gateways, but you have to actually set those up. Gee, wouldn't it be nice if you could pick and choose your UI? Pick and choose your "integrations", your "plugins", your client, etc without having to lose your entire userbase, history, contacts? Some sort of open protocol. Urgh, I've been…
Here's a timeline we put together of about 60 incompatible chat services: https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf Our service Sameroom ( https://sameroom.io ) is a commercial solution to the chat incompatibility disaster, not too different from an AC adapter thingy with a bunch of different plugs, one or two per continent. After implementing the protocols of quite a number of these systems (~20), we're seeing a sca…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Some sort of open protocol. XMPP seems to be rather dead, for various reasons, and no real contender for a replacement has sprung up. I guess there always is, and always will be IRC…
I use XMPP every day. All my friends are on XMPP. What makes you think XMPP is dead? What are "various reasons"?
Well, it failed to be the preferred solution for its problem domain, and is universally ignored by big players.
Google also killed Talk in favor of Hangouts (and the later doesn't talk to XMPP).