I went to this site with NoScript on, and it took me 5 minutes and a trip back to these comments to figure out that something was supposed to be happening.
Is there a name for that?
Dsxyliea
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#202This is uncannily similar to my own personal experience with ADHD. Instead of words appearing scrambled, though, my focus during reading is drawn to random words within a text. I might skip to a new sentence or jump down a few paragraphs; it's entirely arbitrary. This process usually continues forward and back, resetting every few seconds. The longer I read something, the worse the effect becomes. It takes a lot of e…
Out of interest, would using your finger to trace along the line you are reading help you to maintain your reading position? This is a well known speed reading technique, so I imagine many people would have this skipping issue when reading above a certain pace.
I'll occasionally do this with the mouse pointer on a screen.
No diagnoses, but I suffer the same symptoms other posters are talking about.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is entirely intentional. It is still possible to read. At least short wods, and the longer ones you recognize, and can infer from context. The jumping text is mostly distracting.
I'm dyslexic but I have no trouble reading, I just flip letters and numbers around while they are stored in my head primarily. I dont look at individual letters as much the shape of words and context clues so changing a letter or two doesn't matter. If this effect was about half the speed I might get though the article without noticing.
I'd love to know how people try and mitigate thier LD.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11224017
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#204This reminds me of the meme that went around a few years ago (dear god, 2003!?), claiming that Cambridge researchers showed that you had no trouble reading scrambled word text: "Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed…
It's testimony to the power of the effect, though, that the two times Matt uses (sic) [when decoding "rscheearch" as "research" and "researcher"] he uses it incorrectly. Possibly some copy-editor has fixed both inconsistently or something, but I think he just didn't unscramble the word manually.
The proper misspelling is probably "researchch".
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#205This is uncannily similar to my own personal experience with ADHD. Instead of words appearing scrambled, though, my focus during reading is drawn to random words within a text. I might skip to a new sentence or jump down a few paragraphs; it's entirely arbitrary. This process usually continues forward and back, resetting every few seconds. The longer I read something, the worse the effect becomes. It takes a lot of e…
Wow, that sounds very familiar. I find that when I try to dive into long texts, even (especially?) those that I find very interesting and which I'm intent on finishing, my mind wanders off onto wild tangents within a few paragraphs. When I find something interesting that sparks another thought, I'll trail off on that thought instead of filing it away for later. I'll continue to read the words without even realizing t…
I can recognize the part about getting lost in reading, but it's mostly under control. And it happens to me when I read stuff I kind of don't give a shit about. It's like I get lost scanning for something to care about, and it can absolutely take forever before I notice that I'm off the rails. Luckily, I mostly get by reading interesting stuff I can hyperfocus on, thanks to my job.
I do have another, comparable problem with getting lost in text. Only it's with writing. I'm should be non-dyslexic because I generally don't recognize any of the symptoms. But I have diagnosis for the uh, lovely mix of ADHD/Aspergers.
I'm in my late twenties, so through my years in school we mostly wrote on paper. I never had any problems with writing - other than getting started with assignments in my own time, which is another story entirely.
It's when I'm typing work stuff in any kind of editor that it gets... interesting.
I have a job in what you'd call content marketing and I'm lucky in that I get to write about a lot of things I care about. I write in English, which is is a second language to me, covering IT, infosec, culture, movies, politics, history... I should be super happy!
But the more interesting something I'm trying to write about is, the more I fail at spelling and grammar. I change the structures of sentences mid way and get lost even more in thoughts that force me to write long rants that I painfully edit down, if it's paid work. This is especially evident when I'm trying to process material from several sources.
I sometimes let my ranting run free in that I allow myself to be something of a village idiot by dropping in to interesting discussions on FB and other forums. I assume no-one reads that crap, but I really like writing it.
It's absolutely more easy for me to write mundane copy on any random things than being focused and concise on the stuff I'm really passionate about.
Combined with my problems getting started, writing can really be a time consuming burden sometimes, which means I sit and stare at a screen too damn much. It's a shame because I really love writing.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, some dyslexis like myself do. For example Pin and Pen both sound the same to me. I don't care how you try to pronounce them or with different accents. They are always the same.
What if the vowel sounds are isolated and elongated: iiii, eeee. Does that sound the same? If someone is using the wah-wah pedal with an electric guitar to change the timbre of a note, can you tell? Is it really about sound? Or is it just that the "phonetic analyzer" isn't distinguishing the phonemes? If you can consciously hear the acoustic difference in timbre, how can you then not use that to tell the words apart…
You mean like the letter sounds E and I. They sound different.
I checked that with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SekEr_e3oaM - Yes I can.
I think it phonic not sonic. I think it where the brain crosses the sound over the to concept of a letter or word.
When I try to reproduce what it sounds like to be it comes out pin and pan or pen and pee-n.
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#207Can you understand this? Why do we complain about spelling?
Eye have a spelling chequer, It came with my Pea Sea. It plane lee marks four my revue Miss Steaks I can knot sea.
Eye strike the quays and type a whirred And weight four it two say Weather eye am write oar wrong It tells me straight a weigh.
Eye ran this poem threw it, Your shore real glad two no. Its vary polished in its weigh. My chequer tolled me sew.
A chequer is a bless thing, It freeze yew lodes of thyme. It helps me right all stiles of righting, And aides me when eye rime.
Each frays come posed up on my screen Eye trussed too bee a joule. The chequer pours o'er every word Two cheque sum spelling rule.
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#208Ugh, as someone with dyslexia, it's nothing visual, so trying to visualize being dyslexic is an exercise in futility. You know those "drunk" googles that distort your view? They certainly make it harder to walk, but they in no way make you feel drunk... Try explaining someone what it feels like being on LSD... you can't. Telling people that letters jump around is an easy way to dismiss people whit out having to do a…
I'm curious to know where you live. In the US—largely due to the impact of Dr. Shaywitz's work at Yale—the dominant thinking is that dyslexia is phonological, not visual. Yet in other parts of the world (including other English-speaking countries) researchers and the general public view dyslexia as something that can be visual or can be non-visual, depending on the person. One MIT professor estimated that roughly 1/3…
I'm in Belgium.
I have a feeling that the general public considers it to be something that affects reading ability and leave it at that.
However some of my language teachers (Dutch,English,French) would offer to print reading comprehension tests in a larger font, which does not help at all for me (nor any other dyslexic I know, but apparently some did find it helpful).
The speech therapists I saw after school for extra language lessons to help me with dyslexia seemed to have a lot better understanding. Or at least the never offered advice/help that I know didn't work for me, and I had noticeable improvements with those lessons.
You are correct that poor reading ability is the primary symptom of dyslexia, and that it had nothing to do with eye sight or intelligence.
Left me give you a brief run of what happens to me when reading the following sentence: "Reading this is impossible, but I try anyway." When I read it I may read "impobbible" instead. The thing is (for me) I saw the letters correctly. While reading that sentence and wrongly reading that I word I notice that something is wrong, so I stop to stare at the word and give it another attempt. At that point I see the word very clearly "impossible", but like a illiterate person I couldn't speak what was written down there (notice the phonological aspect?). The only option I have at that point is to look at each letter individually and then I usually get it "AH, It says 'impossible', of course!". I feel that the struggle I have here is really phonological in nature. After that I happily continue reading without to much issue until the next "strange" thing comes up.
So now my question is: Is this a "visual" problem? Did the letters "jump" around? Well... yes ... and ... no. They did. I read "impobbible". It really is what I thought was written down there. It feels like my brain says "yeah impossible means impobbible". As an aside, if you asked me to write down the word that I had misread, with out letting me figure out what it truly was, then I probably wouldn't be able to remember what was written down there, and just go for whatever I pronounced. At least that is what I think would happen.
You don't look at each letter individually when reading, you match patterns of letters, parts of words, whole words, fill things in based on context... I feel like it is this pattern matching that goes completely wrong every now and then.
And that is where the visual aspect comes into play. Despite not being vision related I do find that using the opendyslexic font is a noticeable help, and I'm guessing its because it changes the shape of letter and words, which in turn changes how the pattern matching works. I feel that the claim that it is not a visual problem is very accurate but that certainly doesn't mean there can't be visual based tools to help us. Note that I also have dysgraphia, mgrennan mentioned that font was more of a help when you have both.
Interesting enough I hadn't noticed the incorrect spelling of the title of this post until kator pointed it out in his comment. Anyway I hope this helps.