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Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by iends »

zik wrote: post #123
melted wrote: post #14

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Doesn't attempt to please everyone. Case in point: no OOP or inheritance and no FP. Minimal syntactic sugar.

Nitpick - Go is very much an OO language. Almost everything is done using objects. It has a different way of handling inheritance however - it makes a different decision in the "Composition over inheritance" debate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_over_inheritance

I've found that there is no real standard definition of what OOP is and people get very angry when you say Go is OOP but it doesn't have inheritance. YMMV though.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by iofj »

johan_larson wrote: post #70
autoreleasepool wrote: post #43

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I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

For my money, Java is a pretty good language; there are only a couple of things that I think were real mistakes in the core language. And the JVM certainly performs. But the ecosystem around Java is very complex and hard to manage. Dealing with JVM configuration, webserver configuration, build system configuration, IDE configuration and God knows what else takes up all kinds of brain-space. And every so often the com…

Why would you configure a webserver for a java process ? Just have every process include a webserver. At what address ? Well simple : any free address, then register the address you've started up on in zookeeper. Likewise, contact your dependencies by resolving them on zookeeper (this can be done using DNS if you want minimal changes. Protip: SRV records have both ip and port).

Having the webserver is useful for reasons beyond just being independant of the webserver itself, like exporting metrics. Making the logs inspectable. Getting thread dump, inspecting current state, ...

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by twistedpair »

logicchains wrote: post #191
dlsniper wrote: post #117

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Debugging, cross-platform, integration with a lot of other languages, and databases, local history, out of the box configuration for everything you've just mention (including the Vim key working mode, via a plugin) so that people don't spend time in doing all of that and so much more :)

In what way is IntelliJ more cross-platform than Emacs?

It's written in Java ;)

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by serge2k »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #43
meddlepal wrote: post #8

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Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.

I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

> I refuse to learn Java

So you willfully ignorant but will continue to spout off opinions anyway?

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by serge2k »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #43
meddlepal wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.

I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

> I refuse to learn Java

So you willfully ignorant but will continue to spout off opinions anyway?

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by jjnoakes »

lopatin wrote: post #196
eddiezane wrote: post #34

I've really enjoyed the time I've spent with Go but feel like the state of dependency management has kept me away. Am I being stubborn in my longing for an npm, Ruby Gems, or pip? Is there a reason why one of these hasn't emerged/been adopted by the community? (I'm aware of the 1.5 experiment with vendoring.) Semver and pinning versions has always just made sense to me. I can easily adopt new features and fixes autom…

I agree that it's necessary to pin dependency versions down somehow. So I commit my Go dependencies into my project's version control. I heard Google does this internally too, but I can't confirm that. But I can say that I've had zero problems using this dependency approach for building web systems in Go. There's just something about the ecosystem of dependencies. Most of the deps I use are considered to be done . Th…

What do you do when a dependency has a security problem? Or some other bug?

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by jay_kyburz »

iso-8859-1 wrote: post #189
jay_kyburz wrote: post #169

Can anybody tell me if you can run Go in Chrome using the NaCL stuff? I remember there was talking of it a few years ago but I don't know if anything ever came of it. A google seach show that you could build for NaCal in Go 1.3 but only run it in special builds not Chrome itself.

As you can see on https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/NativeClient , there is no PNaCl support, which means it is only available in the Chrome Web Store.

Thanks for the heads up.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by libria »

pklausler wrote: post #67
TelmoMenezes wrote: post #22

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Take a look at a curated list of opinionated ecosystems. Hilariously, they contain some of the most popular use-cases going forward, and the price point is good. Genuine question, why all the negativity?

I'm not being negative. I was confused by the unfamiliar anthropomorphic terminology being applied to an artifact. I take away a sense that "opinionated" seems to be an idiom popular within the golang community for a sense of principled design along the lines of Smalltalk's message passing, Lisp's homoiconicity, Haskell's purity from side effects, and so on.

"opinionated" is just shorthand for "the language authors held strong opinions when designing". There's no anthropomorphism so hopefully that takes away the confusion.

Re: Go 1.6 is Released

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Post by d4rkph1b3r »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #43
meddlepal wrote: post #8

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Java SE and a fat jar... checks all the boxes and has generics and superior tooling. I still don't get the Go love.

I don't like Oracle. I don't like the JVM. I refuse to learn Java because I personally have a strong bias for native, compiled code. In fact, I really dislike everything about the Java way of programming. The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. That being said, if I were starting a…

>For better or worse, CS departments across the US produce Java programmers more than anything else.

Do you think this large pool of programmers are good?

>This makes it very easy to hire Java developers.

Yes, if you are looking for sub-par developers. I don't think Google thinks to itself "oh man we're so glad we use java, otherwise hiring would be challenging". No, they have just as much difficultly hiring as anyone else. I'd even say that considering it's the 'blub' language to use PG speak, it makes hiring harder for them.

>Java has stability, Java has concurrency, Java has hot reloading, Java has a good track record, Java scales,

No, those are things the JVM has.

>Java has really nice functional programming support,

You can't honestly believe this. How much functional programming experience do you have?

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