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Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

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Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

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Most people don't live by themselves in a 1 bedroom. They usually live 2+ people per room, so that they can afford it. For example, a 2 br apt might have 5 people living there, two couples and then one living in the living room. That's how they can afford the $5000/month rent.

By "most people" you mean mostly 20-somethings? It's hard to imagine people in their 30s and older, married and starting to have kids, living like that. I mean, great if you can pull it off, but you'd have to stagger the shower schedule not to mention maybe get a 2nd refrigerator?

That's not uncommon in London, especially amongst immigrants from Eastern Europe — it makes sense, if the aim is to save money rapidly to put a deposit on a house in Poland/Romania etc — and people in their 20s.

I took a room for ~9 months in what was originally a 3 bedroom house. It was (a) very flexible regarding the contract (b) very cheap (£400/mth). (I had to move out of my previous place, but was looking for a new job, so didn't want to commit to something that might be in an inconvenient area.)

I had my own room, and for most of the time there were 4 people in the three other rooms, age 30-40s and one at 50.

Everyone apart from me worked in the kind of jobs where you have to be in by 7-8am, so I never had an issue taking a shower. We had 2 fridges.

This was a "nice" house, in a nice area, with nothing dodgy about the contract / rent etc. In other areas there are really scummy landlords overcharging people for individual rooms, often none of them are British / western European, so they don't seem to know that there are regulations in their favour, for example for getting a deposit returned, or not paying for wear-and-tear repairs.

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

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post #71
post #10

So making 100k+/year doesn't allow you to live comfortably in SF nowdays?

It depends on what you mean by comfortable. It's worth pointing out that the median income in San Francisco is $50k or so.

It's worse than that. Here's some 2014 data (surely it's higher now?)

http://www.sf-moh.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=7...

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

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post #113

Which is silly....honestly companies need to start opening offices in more affordable areas. Colorado (Blouder, Denver, The Springs), Texas (Austin, San Antonio), Missouri (Kansas City, Saint Louis)....there are so many places you can put your employees that saves them money as well as your company a lot of money not only in Salaries because you'll be able to employees less but your rent/power/etc.

I have a new hypothesis that I may actually try out: it's the business people that should be in the Bay Area but the engineers can be elsewhere. A lot of the companies having a great deal of success are iterating on the business model, customer acquisition and user experience side of things far more so than on the technology or engineering. I am hypothesizing that it is those people that benefit from being in the Bay…

they tried this with outsourcing and it didn't work.

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

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post #54

Most people don't live by themselves in a 1 bedroom. They usually live 2+ people per room, so that they can afford it. For example, a 2 br apt might have 5 people living there, two couples and then one living in the living room. That's how they can afford the $5000/month rent.

That sounds like hell once one starts growing older -- and not a first world country.

I thought it sounded like London.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/25/overcrowding-...

https://www.rt.com/uk/312452-london-property-overcrowding-la...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10863346/Figures-sh...

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

#206

Yeah this is expensive, but they're talking about living right next to your office. Of course the rents are extremely high there -- you're downtown. Kind of a misleading article

Rents all over SF and the bay area are expensive. SOMA within 0.5 miles is not really the point.

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

#207

Seriously, the number of companies still not hiring remotes is ridiculous. We work in the most flexible industry out there yet most companies still want you sitting in a chair in some downtown office of a giant and expensive city. No thank you. No you don't need to make your entire team remote but you can easily augment a large portion with talented remotes. Keep your high living costs and horrendous commutes, been t…

If working with remotes was so easy, don't you think people would have done it more by now?

Clearly there are benefits (worth to many people) of being collocated.

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

#208
post #113

Which is silly....honestly companies need to start opening offices in more affordable areas. Colorado (Blouder, Denver, The Springs), Texas (Austin, San Antonio), Missouri (Kansas City, Saint Louis)....there are so many places you can put your employees that saves them money as well as your company a lot of money not only in Salaries because you'll be able to employees less but your rent/power/etc.

I have a new hypothesis that I may actually try out: it's the business people that should be in the Bay Area but the engineers can be elsewhere. A lot of the companies having a great deal of success are iterating on the business model, customer acquisition and user experience side of things far more so than on the technology or engineering. I am hypothesizing that it is those people that benefit from being in the Bay…

Why isn't this already done?

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

#209
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution: Concentrate your tech workers in a area that isn't hostile to expanding the housing supply when needed.

Which narrows it down to Las Vegas, and Las Vegas is hell on Earth.

Correction: expanding the housing supply vertically.

Re: Employees at Airbnb, Square and Stripe Are Spending 50%+ of Income on SF Rent

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ssh! You're not supposed to tell!

Time honored trope for PNW residents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_the_Bastards_Out Every few years these Californians muck everything up with their SF equity turned into bidding wars, and their fancy cars and stuff.

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Seattle
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