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Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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Personally sound quality is more important to me. I'd be a lot happier if Taylor Swift had put her foot down for FLAC-encoded downloads being made available or something. Because trying to find those is literally impossible.

> Because trying to find those is literally impossible. Well, 'nearly' impossible. Google 'FLAC streaming service' and you'll find tidal.com. I don't know if there's any other. If you don't pay for music downloads, then finding them isn't a problem [1] but rather troublesome. Most people don't know FLAC exists and they don't care about sound quality. Take a look at the top 100 music torrents on thepiratebay [2]. None…

Conversely I've never had any trouble finding Flac-encoded torrents of any track I've wanted. There's just no way to pay the artist (usually) for them, because for some reason record companies think CD sales are worth protecting.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I like Neil Young. I have a lot of his albums, but this will probably just result in me listening to his music less. Streaming music just provides so much more comfort, and must people will not be able to hear the difference through cheap ear buds.

I would've respected his decision a lot more if he just said that it is about the money. There is definitely a hidden agenda here, especially considering that many of his albums had a pretty miserable recording quality to begin with.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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Based on the comments over there he certainly isn't getting much love for the stance he is taking.

Because it does not make sense. His music is and has been played on radio stations, their quality is worse than every streaming service.

I stream stuff when I am on the go and to discover new things. He basically dropped out of my casual listening and discovery framework and all I will remember him for is "Rocking in a free world".

Plus, he is trying to sell his Pono service - meh.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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An interesting stance he's taking. Spotify, Google Play Music, and Rdio all stream at 320kbps MP3 or OGG, and Apple Music streams at 256kbps AAC (which is approximately the same quality as 320kbps MP3). [0][1] Yet, the vast majority of people cannot tell the difference between 256kbps MP3 and lossless, let alone between 320kbps MP3 and lossless (tested many times, for example: [2]). I'm not sure Neil has much of an a…

Hmm, I thought Google Play (and possibly Spotify as well) used OGG. MP3 is a very old format at this point.

Spotify uses Ogg Vorbis.

Google Play uses MP3, which is kind of sad these days because Ogg Vorbis or Ogg Opus would both be much better choices.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because trying to find those is literally impossible. Well, 'nearly' impossible. Google 'FLAC streaming service' and you'll find tidal.com. I don't know if there's any other. If you don't pay for music downloads, then finding them isn't a problem [1] but rather troublesome. Most people don't know FLAC exists and they don't care about sound quality. Take a look at the top 100 music torrents on thepiratebay [2]. None…

Conversely I've never had any trouble finding Flac-encoded torrents of any track I've wanted. There's just no way to pay the artist (usually) for them, because for some reason record companies think CD sales are worth protecting.

So buy the cd and encode that?

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I assume, by the same logic, he'll be removing his music from Radio, too?

Probably not.

    I was there.
    AM radio kicked streaming's ass.
    Analog Cassettes and 8 tracks also kicked streaming's ass,
    and absolutely rocked compared to streaming.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I assume, by the same logic, he'll be removing his music from Radio, too?

Probably not. I was there. AM radio kicked streaming's ass. Analog Cassettes and 8 tracks also kicked streaming's ass, and absolutely rocked compared to streaming.

How radio kicked ass streaming?

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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> the worst quality in the history of broadcasting

because his stuff was never transmitted by FM radio, let alone AM radio. What.

Seriously, Neil Young is 69 and has played feedback-drenched noise for the past forty years. If he can tell compressed stream quality from source CD in A/B/X testing, I'll give you and him a lollipop. Two lollipops.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I have never heard any stereo remotely duplicate the sound of hearing, say, a violin acoustically live. I don't think the difference is a higher effective bit rate. There's something else going on. Maybe it's the shape of our ears.

If someone wants to revolutionize music reproduction, how about solving this problem?

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