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What else do you like you as much as this?
Spinal Tap. Point Break. Sneakers. Primer.
I remember reading a review/summary/explanation of Primer that was written up--by necessity--in LaTeX.
Why “Whiplash” Won an Oscar for Best Editing
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Re: Why “Whiplash” Won an Oscar for Best Editing
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Sorry to be pedantic, but Whiplash won the Academy award for best sound mixing ; the award for best sound editing went to American Sniper. Mixing involves the spatial and tonal quality of the sound; editing the temporal and semantic quality. But either way yes, it is very meticulous, and I think you'd be even more shocked to look at the project files, because each individual sound you hear in a film often involves mu…
Wow! I was instantly sure that this came down to someone at some DAW making a few million little tweaks on individual drum hits... Thanks for the correction and the detail!
Oh I think it amounts to the same thing. Automation can help but it's fundamentally painstaking stuff. As a general example, imagine someone walking down the street, but you don't like the original recording for some reason and decide to replace it. All the footsteps have to be matched up and that's tedious. There are plugins that will match the peak sounds of one recording to another to save you aligning every footstep (or word if you're replacing dialog) but you often end up having to do things by hand. Then if it's one person alone the footsteps may sound too simple so you need to add some fabric swish for their clothes. Or if it's two people, you need to have two different sets of footsteps which is really really annoying. Three people walking is fine because nobody can keep up with that so you can completely fudge the timing and nobody will notice.
The big challenge in movie sound is not to distract from what's going on in the story, which often means throwing away sounds that are present in the real environment but with are excluded by the picture frame, and whose presence thus becomes confusing to the audience because they don't know where the sound is coming from. I hate shooting in restaurants for example, because most restaurants have very loud refrigerators and of course most of them can't be switched off for food safety reasons. When you eat dinner don't notice this because there's music, other diners, maybe the person(s) you went to have dinner with, and the sound of your own body chewing and swallowing - so your brain just filters all the background noise away and lets you focus on the conversation or whatever. But when you watch the same thing on a screen, your brain is like 'what's that big machine noise? why does the lead actress sound like a farm animal? why is it all so echoey?' Total nightmare :-)
I haven't seen Whiplash yet but I'm looking forward to it.
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Sorry to be pedantic, but Whiplash won the Academy award for best sound mixing ; the award for best sound editing went to American Sniper. Mixing involves the spatial and tonal quality of the sound; editing the temporal and semantic quality. But either way yes, it is very meticulous, and I think you'd be even more shocked to look at the project files, because each individual sound you hear in a film often involves mu…
"Mixing involves the spatial and tonal quality of the sound; editing the temporal and semantic quality." What does that even mean? I thought sound editing was the creation of all the sounds and sound effects, and mixing was the mixing.
Sound editors are responsible what to include in the track and when, sometimes much more or less than what the mics on set picked up.
Sound mixers are like sound engineers in the rest of the business, crafting relative levels, dynamics, tonal transformations like EQ, and spatial transformations like reverb.
Re: Why “Whiplash” Won an Oscar for Best Editing
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Spinal Tap. Point Break. Sneakers. Primer.
Cool, agree on the first two, will have to rewatch Sneakers, haven't seen Primer. Here are some of my favorites: Kramer vs. Kramer, High Noon, Groundhog Day, Leon: The Professional. High Noon in particular is told in real time so it has this intense feeling like Whiplash.
Sneakers is wildly entertaining on many levels. Plus it was an early hacker movie which was cool. Primer is trippy, one of those rare movies where you will instantly watch it again after the first viewing. Then you'll google the plot and read for an hour and watch it a third time in the same day. It works though.
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#27I really enjoyed this movie, but I also feel like it was a Rorschach test for sociopathy. What you come away with at the end of this movie kind of says a lot about you as a person.
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#28I really enjoyed this movie, but I also feel like it was a Rorschach test for sociopathy. What you come away with at the end of this movie kind of says a lot about you as a person.
I felt like it was more of an attempt at justifying sociopathy, or at least exploring the impulse towards it.
The movie essentially argues that greatness comes from external pressure, from being pushed beyond your limits.
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#29I thoroughly despised this movie. To me it felt like a celebration of a sadistic abuser mind-raping a kid, and never being punished for it. No music teacher I know would have gotten away with what Fletcher did without going to jail.
This is not how you teach jazz. This is not how you teach anything.
Re: Why “Whiplash” Won an Oscar for Best Editing
#30I thoroughly despised this movie. To me it felt like a celebration of a sadistic abuser mind-raping a kid, and never being punished for it. No music teacher I know would have gotten away with what Fletcher did without going to jail. This is not how you teach jazz. This is not how you teach anything.
A film about sadistic behaviour isn't necessarily a celebration of it.