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Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by pki »

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #16
petercooper wrote: post #9

I send a LOT of emails each month (email newsletter business - yes, legit!) and ran into an separate but topically related and amusing problem recently. My newsletters are aimed at developers, and one issue went out and was considered by Gmail to be a 'phishing' attempt. I couldn't figure it out. Several issues later, another one was picked up the same way and I figured it out.. In both issues, one of the items was l…

I plan to build a developer mailing list but am hesitant to actually do so because all the advice I read tells me to do things that I personally find morally reprehensible. tl;dr: I would blackhole my own mailserver. Have you any advice for me? Im planning to use confirmation as is done by free software mailing lists but my concern is how to flog my website without offending anyone by flogging my website.

use mailchimp or sendgrid or sailthru instead of self hosting it.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

The author jumps to an unfounded conclusion which is pretty irritating and probably will make everybody who could help him not want to help him.

That said I've never seen a DSN like the one in the screenshot. It certainly is not generated by the gmail spam checking system, because gmail does not bounce spam. Gmail either rejects spam at SMTP DATA time, or delivers it to spam folders.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by lm741 »

I hit a similar problems when sending automated internal emails to a Google Groups address at my company. The problem was fixed by adding the following footer: "To unsubscribe, email ."

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by logicallee »

>What can I do except move to a hosted provider ?

To answer your question about what you can do, you can send mail to Google legal asking them to accept your mail gmail users - just copy your whole blog post, I'm sure they'll action it right away:

Antitrust is serious business. (They already have trouble in the EU for it - https://www.google.com/search?q=antitrust+eu+google - by the way I think it's completely unfounded.) It takes them seconds to whitelist you, and this really is a "15 seconds could save you $15 million on your next antitrust case" and anyone in Google legal can probably see that.

EDIT: I don't see how this got downvoted. This literally answers OP's question about what else he can do.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by smhenderson »

arihant wrote: post #18

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." -- Spock. I'd rather have a few geeky people like me not have the fun of self hosting an e-mail server, than waste millions of man hours round the world because of people dealing with spam. If you must hack, however, use something like Mailgun. It is more hacky in a way that you can program your incoming mail the way you want, not just install a mail server with…

Yeah, but we are spending millions of man hours dealing with spam so I don't see how Google messing with this guy is helping (assuming his speculation is correct).

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by petercooper »

brobinson wrote: post #13
petercooper wrote: post #9

I send a LOT of emails each month (email newsletter business - yes, legit!) and ran into an separate but topically related and amusing problem recently. My newsletters are aimed at developers, and one issue went out and was considered by Gmail to be a 'phishing' attempt. I couldn't figure it out. Several issues later, another one was picked up the same way and I figured it out.. In both issues, one of the items was l…

It's probably specifically penalizing anything matching /https?:\/\/0/ because you can specify an IP address using hex or octal in most common browsers. hex: http://0xD83AC02E octal: http://033016540056 That's my guess, at any rate.

Yes, URLs like that are commonly used in phishing emails, so that's my hunch as well. They're just not recognizing that such strings can appear in domains so I suspect it's a simple bug but probably not one they'll fix.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by aaronem »

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #12
runin2k1 wrote: post #6

That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

If you run your own MDA, you could do a lot worse than to filter incoming mail against https://www.spamhaus.org/zen/; the free tier is extremely broad, and the coverage is excellent -- I get maybe one spam email a week, tops.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by pekk »

techsupporter wrote: post #20
arihant wrote: post #18

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." -- Spock. I'd rather have a few geeky people like me not have the fun of self hosting an e-mail server, than waste millions of man hours round the world because of people dealing with spam. If you must hack, however, use something like Mailgun. It is more hacky in a way that you can program your incoming mail the way you want, not just install a mail server with…

That...doesn't make any sense. The author doesn't appear to be spamming or doing any kind of mailing list traffic. He is an individual communicating with other individuals. That's kind of the whole point of this Internet thing we have going here. Besides, he's only being singled out by Google; no other providers seem to have a problem with his domain and Google's own headers show that everything is fine.

It's a coherent opinion which makes sense, even if we don't agree with it. The claim isn't that the author is spamming, the claim is that the availability of effective spam filtering ("needs of the many") trades off against and ultimately outweighs the author's reasons for running his own small web server for his personal email ("needs of the few").

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by _delirium »

aaronem wrote: post #28
MichaelCrawford wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

If you run your own MDA, you could do a lot worse than to filter incoming mail against https://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ ; the free tier is extremely broad, and the coverage is excellent -- I get maybe one spam email a week, tops.

I'm also happy with Spamhaus Zen generally, but spam sent via Gmail is one category of email it won't stop, since it only blacklists pure spam sources, and Gmail is obviously a legitimate mailhost. I get a steady trickle of spam from Gmail addresses, mostly SEO-consultant spammers who grabbed my email from the whois info.
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