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Thunderbird 3 released
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Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#22Just curious - what's the appeal of non-web-based email? I'm forced to use Outlook at work, but I can't imagine having to install something to get my personal mail, and having to back up my personal mail. Do people do this mostly because they're concerned about their data privacy, or because it's easier to work when you don't have internet access, or what?
You having the full control over your data. Do you really not backup your mails? Do you consider them not important or do you glorify your provider? I highly recommend making your own backups for anything you consider worth saving.
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Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#23if its not better than gmail, i don't think anyone cares.
I think there is a valid point hidden inside this flame-bait. GMail (and other web-based email clients) are making inroads against traditional desktop email clients. I used Thunderbird for a long time, but just found GMail's client much more intuitive and faster. The best part is that web apps are getting faster and faster as JS engines improve.
This isn't the case for desktop clients, at least from my experience. Bloat always sneak up on you. Sure, this happens on web apps too (e.g. Google Wave), but it doesn't feel as bad because we're used to web apps being "slow" (only to get faster the next year). For desktop clients, once you're bloated then you pretty much stay that way.
I loved Thunderbird and I was excited about Thunderbird 3, but really, I don't see a reason why I would want to leave GMail.
Of course, I'm not using "enterprise" email for work or anything. But even enterprise email will be web-based eventually.
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#24It's the orange space rocket, one that launches from under a pool, right?
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#25Just curious - what's the appeal of non-web-based email? I'm forced to use Outlook at work, but I can't imagine having to install something to get my personal mail, and having to back up my personal mail. Do people do this mostly because they're concerned about their data privacy, or because it's easier to work when you don't have internet access, or what?
Search actually works.
SPEED! Man, I just installed and it downloads locally and indexes all your IMAP emails, (a few gigs of data in my case).
Then search in ALL of them is INSTANTANEOUS!
I wasn't using Gmail due to the non-functional search for word fraction. And my IMAP server's search took almost a minute sometimes (dovecot + extra indexing options). But this is... unbelievable.
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#26Just curious - what's the appeal of non-web-based email? I'm forced to use Outlook at work, but I can't imagine having to install something to get my personal mail, and having to back up my personal mail. Do people do this mostly because they're concerned about their data privacy, or because it's easier to work when you don't have internet access, or what?
Because one size does not fit all.
I tried Gmail and other mail clients, but I've been in Thunderbird since 2007 now.
I love the speed. I use it for work email. I like the tagging. I like the speed. I click and email opens. It doesn't matter how slow my connection is right now. It's easy to backup to an external hard drive. When my browser crashes, my email does not. I like how the folders work. The spam filter is awesome.
Buy mostly, it just feels like home to me. I don't know how to explain it, but I love being in Thunderbird, and I just can't operate without it now.
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#27Just curious - what's the appeal of non-web-based email? I'm forced to use Outlook at work, but I can't imagine having to install something to get my personal mail, and having to back up my personal mail. Do people do this mostly because they're concerned about their data privacy, or because it's easier to work when you don't have internet access, or what?
You having the full control over your data. Do you really not backup your mails? Do you consider them not important or do you glorify your provider? I highly recommend making your own backups for anything you consider worth saving.
Or if you run your own IMAP server, you don't need to backup any data on the client side...
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#28Looks like it tries to download every email in Gmail and index it locally. God. My maillist subscription just made my HDD explode. Didn't IMAP provide some sort of search function already?
IMAP does provide a search function but it's substantially slower than downloading and indexing your emails locally..
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#29Just tried it here, I normally use Mail.app. First impressions were "oh, this isn't so bad," but then I started using it. It feels very janky, the interface is a bit disfunctional (going to File > New Folder gave absolutely no visual feedback as to where it put it, and if you have the filters window open and make a new folder you have to close and reopen the filters window for it to notice the new folder). The one th…
"E for Effort I suppose, but it's seeming less and less relevant, and if major releases are this buggy I can see why."
This is my feeling too: I used a version (1.x? 2?) on OS X for a little while after switching, then started using Mail.app, which has its quirks and problems -- it used to slow when mailboxes got stuffed with thousands of messages -- but shows a level of polish Thunderbird doesn't.
Re: Thunderbird 3 released
#30Looks like it tries to download every email in Gmail and index it locally. God. My maillist subscription just made my HDD explode. Didn't IMAP provide some sort of search function already?
IMAP does provide a search function but it's substantially slower than downloading and indexing your emails locally..
I quite like the iPhone's compromise: it stores and indexes the most recent 50 or so messages, and when searching provides a "Continue search on server" button. Thunderbird (or others) could have a larger store of recent messages, but this would avoid downloading thousands of mailing list emails.