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Goldman Sachs Tells Interns to End the Late, Late Show

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Re: Goldman Sachs Tells Interns to End the Late, Late Show

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Investment banking is a religion or something. Long hours of repetitive supplication and devotion wins the day.

But then again I do find that what clothes I'm wearing does affect my code. When I wear a bowtie, for instance, I find I use more curly-braces! (facepalm).

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What do investment banking interns (and bankers) do which benefits from such long hours? Lots of manual data processing? Reading? I absolutely benefit from uninterrupted stretches of 12-24h working on problems sometimes, but only infrequently -- usually hit diminishing returns between 4-12h. The only times where I've been useful >24h was when the task was more "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other peo…

I have no experience but I always figured it was similar to training in the armed forces. Put people through stressful situations to see how they perform under pressure, lack of sleep, etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Investment banking is all about dealing with other people's money and the customers usually are pretty demanding when it's well, about their money. From what I hear from my investment banker friends a lot of the day is spent socializing and going on client meetings, lunches, dinners to satisfy the relationship and then usually back to the office to do the 'actual work'. It's a lot of hard work but that's why these gu…

... They don't put the interns out there schmoozing with the customers.

As an intern, you usually get to shadow the manager, meaning you're still going to a lot of the events. And then you're expected to do all the work.

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What do investment banking interns (and bankers) do which benefits from such long hours? Lots of manual data processing? Reading? I absolutely benefit from uninterrupted stretches of 12-24h working on problems sometimes, but only infrequently -- usually hit diminishing returns between 4-12h. The only times where I've been useful >24h was when the task was more "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other peo…

These people are essentially on-call, on-site. There's a lot of money involved with the deals companies are trying to close and bankers are there to handhold clients throughout the entire process. They're not working the whole day but if a client or senior person wants a change to a Powerpoint deck, they're paid to turn that around quickly.

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What do investment banking interns (and bankers) do which benefits from such long hours? Lots of manual data processing? Reading? I absolutely benefit from uninterrupted stretches of 12-24h working on problems sometimes, but only infrequently -- usually hit diminishing returns between 4-12h. The only times where I've been useful >24h was when the task was more "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other peo…

I've seen how this works at somewhat close quarters. They are expected to shadow a manager (or their mentor or somebody senior), go to meetings, take notes, prepare presentations, revise presentations, rework presentations because their boss' boss' boss didn't like it, prepare reports for that meeting at 9am tomorrow morning. It's essentially grind work (which also includes bringing coffee/lunch or if you really are…

Depending on the role, the financial modeling skills learned as a junior banker are pretty much unparalleled vs any other opportunity straight out of undergrad.

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It's behind a pay wall. Not fair to make submissions many people can't read. All content I get on HackerNews should be free to read without an implication of paying to join the discussion. The Irish Times allows current articles to be read publicly but anything that gets archived (a few days old) must be payed for to be read. I prefer and pay for this model - would be nice if WSJ adopted it.

>All content I get on HackerNews should be free to read without an implication of paying to join the discussion.

And why exactly?

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What do investment banking interns (and bankers) do which benefits from such long hours? Lots of manual data processing? Reading? I absolutely benefit from uninterrupted stretches of 12-24h working on problems sometimes, but only infrequently -- usually hit diminishing returns between 4-12h. The only times where I've been useful >24h was when the task was more "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other peo…

> "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other people or long-running processes" It's exactly this in I-banking, from what I understand. A lot of the day is spent tweaking/waiting. Towards the end of the day, you get feedback from clients/managers, and that's when the "real work" starts. From an external perspective, it's always struck me as horribly inefficient.

Sounds like ad agencies do their work.

Re: Goldman Sachs Tells Interns to End the Late, Late Show

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What do investment banking interns (and bankers) do which benefits from such long hours? Lots of manual data processing? Reading? I absolutely benefit from uninterrupted stretches of 12-24h working on problems sometimes, but only infrequently -- usually hit diminishing returns between 4-12h. The only times where I've been useful >24h was when the task was more "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other peo…

> "set up this thing which has lots of waiting on other people or long-running processes" It's exactly this in I-banking, from what I understand. A lot of the day is spent tweaking/waiting. Towards the end of the day, you get feedback from clients/managers, and that's when the "real work" starts. From an external perspective, it's always struck me as horribly inefficient.

A lot of it is ego-driven. Senior people think that because they went through it, all junior people have to go through it too. Companies feel that if they're shelling out huge money in fees that banks should be on-call 24/7. If you're responsible for a deal either from the company or adviser side, , you'd rather have it fixed before anyone notices or at least as quickly as possible. Thus the benefit of junior staff working crazy hours.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... They don't put the interns out there schmoozing with the customers.

As an intern, you usually get to shadow the manager, meaning you're still going to a lot of the events. And then you're expected to do all the work.

This really depends on bank as well as group within bank. Definitely not a hard rule.
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