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11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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I say this literally every time a story like this pops up but, as ever, I'll say it again: Have the (adults) in charge completely lost their minds? Is the government so out of touch with reality that this makes sense to them? I loved going on walks or riding my bike to the shops or sleeping in/playing at home when i was 10 or 11, and yet now this seems all but impossible to consider? How the hell did this happen?

> How the hell did this happen?

Standard: Some bad parents actually do exist. So, with a few such examples, some people who want to get attention get some laws passed and set up CPS with some really big powers, e.g., ones that violate little things like due process. Some of the laws mention felonies.

Then the CPS department gets created, funded, and staffed. Then a phone call comes in, and CPS swings into action.

Then, CPS wants to look busy, do their job, believes that they are now responsible for the child, wants to make sure nothing goes wrong where they could be blamed, so take full control of the life of the child, as their rules say, and to heck with anything like due process, the actual good of the child, the good of the family, etc. Instead, CPS becomes just law and rules driven.

So, CPS is brain-dead, dysfunctional, dangerous, destructive, demented, deranged, etc. Why? They are just following the law and their rules to avoid any blame.

So, CPS put a torpedo just below the waterline of that totally innocent family. They did psychological damage to the child; they harmed the sense of security of the family; they wasted the time of the family; the may have wrecked the family finances due to the legal costs.

Earlier tonight I watched the Nova program on the June 6, 1944 Normandy landing. I was reminded of all the death and destruction fighting Hitler.

But then with something like CPS and US police shooting unarmed Blacks in the back, etc., we are creating disasters out of nothing, nothing at all, disasters, out of nothing, for no good reason.

The judge? He should have found a way to charge the CPS thugs, laughed their case out of court, and put the family back together. Since he didn't, he should get a new career cleaning sidewalks with a tooth brush -- "Nice and clean, now, y'hear?".

CPS must report to a mayor or governor, etc. Well, with enough such stories, the mayor or whomever should ensure that the head of CPS and everyone involved in that case should join the judge in brushing the sidewalks.

Part of the solution is sunlight, e.g., on the Internet.

Too often our government has become just a dangerous enemy of the citizens. The citizens should vote for the needed changes. Due to CPS, every family with children is at risk of essentially just thugs from CPS wrecking their families, a greater risk than a bomb from a terrorist and comparably dangerous.

TSA? Sure, they can steal money and valuables from your luggage and molest your wife and daughters.

Gee, when I was 10 or so, I got a three speed bicycle, and then, especially during the summers, I was gone for hours at a time, sometimes 20 miles round trip. No problems.

I was big for my age: If some CPS types had tried to do something to me, it would have been a fight, a real fight -- I would have defended myself from the CPS attackers. Sure, if I could have found a club, I would have beat them to a bloody pulp -- just ordinary self-defense.

Government wants to grow, like poison ivy or worse. Have to cut it back. The key way: Just cut their budgets. How to do that? Sure, vote. Then get rid of the government thugs who attack citizens and get lower taxes.

Read. Complain. Vote. Solve the problem. That's what our democracy is for and some of why we really need democracy. Else the government will grow and grow and become a hostile occupying force in our country like Hitler occupied Poland.

In Normandy is a cemetery with, as I recall from the Nova program, 9000 graves of US soldiers who fought for our freedom. Well, we should not let out of control government do to us what Hitler would have done.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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I hate to be that person but this isn't the actions of a country that prides itself as being free. Sadly, it's not an isolated case either. I've read numerous similar accounts of such things occurring. Along with the "lemonade stand permit", it's bewildering. I realise that in the grand scheme, these are fairly unique but you simply don't hear about such things happening in Europe, in Australia or in the middle and f…

in Australia

So, in Victoria at least, it was recently made illegal to leave your kids in the car for any length of time. Going inside to pay at the petrol station? Take your kids with you.

Admittedly it's not going to end you up in the middle of the story in the article, and you're going to have to be pretty unlucky to find a cop who's enough of a dickhead to apply this law apropos of no other issues, but technically it's now illegal to do so.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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I say this literally every time a story like this pops up but, as ever, I'll say it again: Have the (adults) in charge completely lost their minds? Is the government so out of touch with reality that this makes sense to them? I loved going on walks or riding my bike to the shops or sleeping in/playing at home when i was 10 or 11, and yet now this seems all but impossible to consider? How the hell did this happen?

Agreed, in the summers (in small town america), when i was that age i was kicked out of the house after breakfast and not allowed back (unless it was raining) until lunch, and then kicked out again until dinner. I loved running around outside with my friends, our dogs, horrendously constructed forts, and our bb guns. The "bad" parents were the ones that let their kids stay home and vegetate in front of the TV. What happened?

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Yeah, I don't much care for the apparent general trend and there have certainly been some documented cases that are pretty ridiculous. I daresay things that I did as a child at various ages would shock a lot of people today.

That said, this particular story is from: Lenore Skenazy is host of the reality show “World’s Worst Mom” on the Discovery Life Channel, starting Jan. 22. She is also a public speaker and founder of the book and blog Free-Range Kids.

That doesn't make it wrong. But it clearly comes from someone who is on a particular side of the issue. And a quick search doesn't uncover original reportage from elsewhere. So color me skeptical.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Per the details in the original post, she is employed by a school, and has been suspended and told to not to talk to media until this is over:

http://www.freerangekids.com/boy-11-plays-basketball-in-own-...

And given the steady stream of well-documented, actual and equally ridiculous cases like this on Free Range Kids, I doubt this is a prank.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These cases are a tiny minority. CPS deals with real horrifying and tragic situations every day. I'm actually more shocked that there are prosecutors and even judges that go along with this BS. I can believe one insane activist CPS worker here and there, but an entire chain of people to back them up??

> CPS deals with real horrifying and tragic situations every day. That's what boggles my mind the most. Every time we hear about CPS they're overworked and have to deal with horrors I don't even want to imagine. But how do they have time to waste voluntarily ruining peoples' lives?

Well... let's not assume that the article has told the whole story. There's nothing independently verifiable in it.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Per the details in the original post, she is employed by a school, and has been suspended and told to not to talk to media until this is over: http://www.freerangekids.com/boy-11-plays-basketball-in-own-... And given the steady stream of well-documented, actual and equally ridiculous cases like this on Free Range Kids, I doubt this is a prank.

They want to make an example out of her.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #14

I hate to be that person but this isn't the actions of a country that prides itself as being free. Sadly, it's not an isolated case either. I've read numerous similar accounts of such things occurring. Along with the "lemonade stand permit", it's bewildering. I realise that in the grand scheme, these are fairly unique but you simply don't hear about such things happening in Europe, in Australia or in the middle and f…

in Australia So, in Victoria at least, it was recently made illegal to leave your kids in the car for any length of time. Going inside to pay at the petrol station? Take your kids with you. Admittedly it's not going to end you up in the middle of the story in the article, and you're going to have to be pretty unlucky to find a cop who's enough of a dickhead to apply this law apropos of no other issues, but technicall…

Really? Holy crap! I live in Victoria (don't have kids), and this is news to me. I remember that it's illegal to leave your kids in cars on hot days, but that's it.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

#29

Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time taking this story seriously. The list of affronts visited on the family (strip searches, cops pissing on property, foster worse than the parents, humiliation of the parents by the state) makes it a story sound almost too good to be true if you are looking to rile up your readership. No identifying information is another big red flag, the parents of the free range kids has…

Maybe the parents simply contacted the author with the story and asked not to be named. It's kind of pointless journalism though if you have no verifiable facts. In some other stories she uses real and full names; she has a TV show and is a published author; I don't feel like she made this up.

Re: 11-Year-Old Boy Played in His Yard. CPS Took Him, Felony Charge for Parents

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post #14

I hate to be that person but this isn't the actions of a country that prides itself as being free. Sadly, it's not an isolated case either. I've read numerous similar accounts of such things occurring. Along with the "lemonade stand permit", it's bewildering. I realise that in the grand scheme, these are fairly unique but you simply don't hear about such things happening in Europe, in Australia or in the middle and f…

There are many things. First, Florida is odd. Dave Barry made his career out of odd things happening in Miami.

Perhaps more accurately, the us has a large population. It's roughly the same size as all of western europe. With 350 million independent agents running around, you'll get some funky edge cases.

And C, I think everyone is susceptible to abuse of power. There are a million stories of HOA (home owner associations) making crazy complicated rules because of smart yet bored homebodies with nothing better to do.

The U.S. has certain freedoms, like self defense, that you don't see in the U.K. Freedom of speech is pretty cool, but you get these weird effects where things advertised as "news" aren't actually required to tell the truth. So it's not all sunshine and lollypops.

Classic puritanism tried to take comfort knowing that people not acting in a godly way would just go to hell when they died. The U.S. has a long tradition of everyone knowing everyone else's business. And being judgmental of it. Sometimes echoes of that ring down through the ages and we get weird laws. We get the moral imperatives, but can't really rely on bad parents going to hell, so we get kind of crazy.

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